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- Introduction: the science and research of regenerative medicine
- Patient case: Lower back paining good
- Patient case: Tennis Elbow
- Caller: Options to spinal fusion to L2-L3 area / Sciatica
- Further discussion radiating pain in leg
- Caller: Pinched nerve in neck radiating into right hand
- Caller: Elbow pain that turned into surgery that turned into complex region pain syndrome
- Caller: Sharp lower back pain, inability to lift legs
- Caller: Sharp lower back pain, inability to lift legs continued
- Caller: Knee pain
- Caller: Traumatic fall head, neck, upper spine
- Caller: C3-C4 surgery in past, current headaches and pain
- Caller: ACL
Living Pain Free 12/02/17
Narrator: Are you living in pain? Is it joint pain or muscle pain? If so, stay tuned. Welcome to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, from the Darrow Stem Cell Institute in West Los Angeles.
This is the program that can give you effective solutions for the pain you’ve been living with. Dr. Darrow is a medical doctor, board certified in physical medicine and rehabilitation. He teaches about the use of Prolotherapy, PRP and stem cells. Today’s program could open up a new life without pain for you. Now here’s Dr. Darrow with his co-host, Dr. Nita Vallens.
Nita: Well, hi there Dr. Darrow.
Dr. Darrow: Hello, Nita Vallens, how are you?
Nita: I’m good, how are you?
Dr. Darrow: Living it up.
Nita: That’s awesome, well we want to thank the preceding show’s host, Warren Eckstein for a great lead-in that he gives us and for taking care of the animals which he does as a pet behaviorist. And we take care of people in musculoskeletal pain. And our number for your calls today is 1-866-870-5752, lines are open for you right now, so you can Dr. Darrow your questions about your particular type of pain going on in your body.
When you call the program today, you get a free book on Prolotherapy, a free booklet on age management medicine, a free booklet on the latest treatments of platelet-rich plasma and stem cell, and in my hot hand is the brand new book, that you can go to the website and ask for, either an e-Copy or a hard copy like what I have right now.
And that site is www.lastemcells.com that’s lastemcells.com and the book if Regenerate, Don’t Operate, Stem Cell and Platelet Therapy. So, it arrived, I’m so excited. And it’s chock full of information that everyone is always asking for, where’s the science on that? Here it is. Science and research.
Dr. Darrow: You know when I lecture to doctors, big groups, there’s always a couple hands of orthopedic surgeons that go up, and you know what they ask? Where is the research on this? It can’t be real.
I’m getting an echo, Nita, do you hear it?
Nita: I did not, but keep talking maybe we’ll make a slight adjustment or something.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, and I spent five years nights and weekends writing this book, and putting all the research together on why stem cells and why platelets are the new hot thing for healing. And why surgery is really the very last thing to do, unless it’s an emergency.
And thankfully most surgeries that people get in orthopedics are elective, that means that you, the patient, gets to elect whether or not you’re going to do it. Not the doctor telling you what to do, and there’s too much of that going on. And look I love orthopedic surgeons, they do hard work, but come on guys, there’s too much of this happening today.
You do know now that stem cells and platelets work, don’t say you don’t. The research is there. This book has about 250 studies all about that. So, it’s time to make the change.
I’ve been doing this work for 20 years, I’ve always known it’s worked empirically meaning I’ve seen it work, so I’ve done it. It worked on me. It worked on Nita actually too.
Dr. Darrow: And you know we always knew it worked but we didn’t have all the research like we do now, there is tons of money going into research on stem cells, and platelets, and they’re such easy procedures to do. That’s the part of it I don’t understand why the orthopedic surgeons are not changing over to this.
I know there’s a lot of things that need to be done, like broken bones need to have surgery. If a bone is sticking out, yes, you need to go in, clean it up, pin it, whatever you need to do, and then suture it up, so a person can go on their way.
But that’s not the most common thing that happens. The most common thing are just issues like meniscal tears in the knee, rotator cuff tears in the shoulder, labral tears in the hip, in the shoulder, why are we getting surgeries for these anymore?
The research shows it doesn’t work very well. The research shows that regenerative medicine of stem cells and platelets works very well. No, it’s not a miracle. No, it’s not a panacea. It’s not going to fix everything. Whether we do surgery, or we do regenerative medicine, we have to wisely choose our patients. And that’s what we try to do.
So, it works on – regenerative medicine works on most people when you choose the patient correctly. Your turn.
Nita: And you do that by carefully examining them, the way you examined me.
Dr. Darrow: Oh yeah.
Nita: I arrived with all my prints, MRI, whatever I had, and you said well thank you for bringing that but I have to touch the area. I thought wow, what a novel concept, a doctor that is going – actually going to do an examination.
Dr. Darrow: Let me give you a hint on what that’s about, because you nailed it, Nita. I had a young gentleman come in with his wife. And this is either yesterday or the day before, I can’t remember, I have so many people flying through the office, and he brought an MRI, he had an extruded disk. That means one of the disk which are the cushions between the vertebrae in the back and the neck had squirted out near the spinal cord.
And all of the doctors that saw him, neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons said he had to have immediate surgery. Now, the guy did not have pain down his legs, okay. He had localized back pain. I said may I touch your back, I did, and he jolted when I pressed on the ligaments between the vertebrae, actually I was pressing on the vertebrae, but the ligaments were stretched and he had pain.
I said you know what if you have surgery, that’s not going to help you and it may hurt you, because your problem is ligaments that are sprained, you have an enthesopathy, that’s where the enthesis or the connection between the ligaments and the bones attach. And he says, well how can you prove that to me? I said, easy, let me just get a syringe of lidocaine and I will inject it very superficially, not down deep where that extruded disk is, just on the surface, and if you’re better in two minutes, we know the problem, and it’s not anything that surgery can help you with.
So, I injected his low back, along the ligaments, and he got up in two minutes and he said the pain is almost all gone. What does that mean? It means that the surgery was the wrong answer. Now get this folks, you don’t do surgery to fix an MRI, you don’t do any treatment to fix an MRI or an x-ray. You do treatments to fix the person, to heal the person.
We then did PRP, we just drew his blood, and we spun it in a centrifuge, and we injected the same areas and we’ll find out in a week or two how he’s doing. Hopefully, he’s got some healing. Often it takes three or four treatments for that part of the body to heal up. And if he doesn’t get a good healing with the platelets, we will probably switch him to bone marrow, because it’s got stem cells, plus it’s got platelets in it.
This is just one of those cases, and I see them all the time, where people are ready to have surgery, and it was the wrong technique. Why? Because doctors are so stuck on looking at the diagnostic film to decide what they’re going to do. I never do that. I examine the body and see where the pain is being generated from.
I like to have the MRI, or the x-ray there make sure there is no cancer going on, or something really traumatic, but in order to treat, I generally don’t even need that. Make sense?
Nita: Absolutely makes sense. Because you’re looking more for the cause of the pain.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, and all these things like meniscal tears, rotator cuff – boy it’s still echoing. Alex, please get on it. All of these things that we look at as being the cause, generally are not the cause of the problem.
The cause of the problem is something we find with our hands, touching the area, or moving the body around, and then we can elicit the pain that way. Oftentimes people come in, and they don’t have pain when they come in. And I make them run down the street, or do squats, or do something that’s going to elicit the pain. And then we can find it.
You’ve got to be Sherlock Holmes in this business.
Nita: That’s right. The pain investigator looking the pain generator.
Dr. Darrow: The pain investigator – that’s it! I like it.
Nita: That have to be a little catch phrase we put on your website, something like that.
Dr. Darrow: Why don’t you give the number, and then I’m going to go one of my thousands of emails that come in.
Nita: All right. Our number for your calls and questions 1-866-870-5752, give us a call right now, I have lines open for you right now. And you just heard Dr. Darrow give you a lot of information, so when you call, the pain that you’re in, I guarantee you other people are experiencing that and listening, and you will benefit other people, not just yourself when you call us. That number again is 1-866-870-5752.
Dr. Darrow: Now, for shame if you’re afraid to call in, because we’re not going bite hard. But if you are shy, I hope you call in now, because we get a full board of callers at the end of every show, and we don’t have time at that point to take your calls. So please call now.
But if you can’t or you don’t want to, please take down the office phone number, it’s 800-300-9300, I’ll repeat it, 800-300-9300, you can call, you can get information there. Also, you can get an insurance verification, find out if your insurance is at least going to cover the first visit. And we do take Medicare, Cigna, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare. For people without insurance we take Care Credit, we can help you get a credit card for medical procedures, and most of these regenerative practices are still not covered by insurance, but at least you’ll find out with hopefully an insurance paid visit to see whether you know just by the phone call to find out whether your insurance will cover the visit.
So, I’m going to so – I see we have some callers coming in, but they’re not ready yet. So, let me go to this one.
Dr. Darrow: This is on an elbow. The person says I’d like to set up an appointment to treat my tennis elbow. We get so many of those, either golfer’s elbow which is the medical epicondyle, or the tennis elbow which is the lateral epicondyle. And I just had a woman come in two days ago, I injected her elbow with platelets, and she came in this morning – or yesterday morning, saying she couldn’t move her arm.
And I noticed that her arm and her hand were against her abdomen, she was not moving it. She was afraid. She was afraid to move it, and I said can I please move your arm? She said no, it’s too painful. I said I’ll be gentle.
So, I gingerly took her arm, and I started moving it very slowly, and before we knew it, she had range of motion. She said there was still some pain there. I told her probably by nighttime it would be gone. I haven’t heard her from again, yet. So, I’m hoping it is gone.
My point is this. When you get a regenerative medicine treatment, you can get a little bit stiff afterwards from it. Don’t let that freak you out, that’s very normal to have an inflammatory reaction from these cells that we put into the body. They’re your own cells, what we call autologous, they have your DNA, and they’re amazing in terms of what they can do for you. You need to have a little patience, it’s not usually one treatment that works, it often takes more.
So, tennis elbow, this works very, very well on, I’ve been doing this for 20 years. Should we take this caller?
Nita: Let’s go to John in Thousand Oaks.
Dr. Darrow: Hey John, you have a back problem at L2-L3, how long as it bothered you?
John: Oh, it’s been a while, it’s been about eight to 10 years, and I had an MRI done several months ago, saw some physicians, and they were recommending spinal fusion with a titanium spacer at L2-L3. And I have an eight-millimeter herniation in that same area, which I know I’ll have to get surgically removed, and the stenosis removed.
But my question was would the stem cell work in the area where they want to do the spacer by putting an injection in that area to create a cushion?
Dr. Darrow: Well, we’ve got a lot to talk about, John. So first of all, I want to set your mind straight. You said you will have to have surgery, and I want to take that thought away from you immediately.
John: Just the herniation, for the eight-millimeter herniation to the sciatica.
Dr. Darrow: Right, I understand. Did you hear about the guy that came in, that I was just talking about with an extrusion that’s worse than a herniation.
John: I turned the phone off.
Dr. Darrow: Okay. At any rate, what your MRI shows is not necessarily what is generating your pain. Is your pain in your back?
John: I don’t have pain in the back, it’s going down the calf, down to the foot, and numbness in the left foot.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, okay. So, there is a high probability that you will need surgery for that, okay?
Dr. Darrow: Everybody says, Dr. Darrow, you said somebody should need surgery? Yeah, if they need it, I tell them. It’s super rare, but if you have no back pain, the chances are, this is a nerve impingement from that herniated disk.
John: Right, exactly, yeah.
Dr. Darrow: And I don’t know that you need a fusion for that. And I don’t know that you need a titanium disk spacer for that. But you might need to laminectomy to take off some pressure from the nerve that’s being impinged, and removal of that herniated disk.
So, the way I look at medicine is be conservative. There is a doctor in town, in Los Angeles named David Ditzworth. I don’t know if he’s still practicing, I haven’t talked to him in years. But he used to do a minimally invasive procedure where he could away the disk material with a teeny, teeny little device and put a band aid on it and you would walk out, nothing in the hospital.
John: Well, what was the name, Dr. David what?
Dr. Darrow: David Ditzworth, I can’t spell it for you, but what I’ll have you do is go to my website, www.lastemcells.com, lastemcells.com and just write – there’s a part on there every page where you can email me, and just say that we talked on the radio, and you want me to track down Dr. Ditzworth, and I will get his information, find out for you if he’s still in business.
But I’ve sent people to him, who had these kind of conditions, and they didn’t have to have a real surgery. They had this little mini, mini, mini thing done, a band aid put on it, and they walked out.
John: Wow. That would be wonderful.
Dr. Darrow: So, the least invasive in anything in medicine, the more you want to do that. Fusion is a big deal and the titanium disk spacer is a big deal, and I find that a lot of those fail. So, get a hold of me on the website, and then we’ll talk.
John: I will, you know what, I’ll send you an email, and I’m in – on the west side often, and I could always just schedule an appointment.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, well you may not need an appointment for that you have, but we’ll talk, you just email me and we’ll start a dialogue.
John: Okay, great, thank you very much, doctor.
Dr. Darrow: God bless John, good luck to you.
Nita: Thank you for your call, John. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, that’s 1-866-870-5752, and the website again is www.lastemcells.com that’s lastemcells.com and we’re going to George in Palace Verdas.
Dr. Darrow: Hey George, Dr. Marc Darrow, before I go on with you, I want to eat some of my words that I had with John. I’ve had many, many, many cases where people have pain down their leg, and it is not anything to do with a herniated disk. So, there are times when we have referral patterns from ligaments. And when we fix the ligaments in the bas, and thicken and tighten them up using PRP or stem cells, often the leg pain can go away. So, John, if you’re that guy that has that, you might save yourself a lot of trouble, okay, just putting that out. Don’t know the answer.
So, George your right hand bothers you, what’s the issue?
George: Yeah, I had a pinched nerve in my neck that went down my arm and kind of disabled my hand, my right hand, I can’t – it’s got atrophy, and I can’t pinch, I can’t hold a guitar pic. I just wondered if stem cells would help with nerve damage at all?
Dr. Darrow: It’s not something that I do, so I don’t have an answer for you. That’s mostly in the experimental stages of stem cells. The part that I do is musculoskeletal, not nervous system.
George: Oh okay.
Dr. Darrow: My guess is yes, it would help, they’re using it on spinal cord injury, people that get paralyzed, but I think it’s all in the experimental phases now, and if I were you, if I had that hand, I’d be Googling right now and finding a study at a university where they are growing the nerves, and those things usually you can get into for free.
George: Oh, okay, all right, thank you doctor.
Nita: Thank you for your call.
Dr. Darrow: All right, God bless man.
Nita: Okay, 1-866-870-5752, and we’re going to Maria in Downy.
Dr. Darrow: Maria, your sister has carpal tunnel in her hand?
Maria: Right, but she had the surgery for that, and then her elbow started bothering her. And she worked in the market for a lot of years, and you know that repetitive motion, and they did a surgery. But after the surgery, she’s continued to have a lot of pain, and now they diagnosed her with RSD, I believe it’s called, that the nerve is damaged, and you can’t even touch her arm, she can’t wear a sleeve, she can’t be in cold, she can’t be in hot.
Would there be anything that would be able to help her, because they can’t even get her on a pain med that helps her?
Dr. Darrow: Well, first of all, did the carpal tunnel surgery help her?
Maria: Yes, that went away, and the – the carpal tunnel went away, and that was all great, but now she’s dealing with the pain from the RSD.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, now did she have an elbow surgery?
Maria: She did.
Dr. Darrow: Okay. So, she probably what’s called a transposition of the ulnar nerve, that’s the most common surgery that’s done in the elbow.
Dr. Darrow: And any surgery can cause RSD. The new term for that is CRPS, complex regional pain syndrome, it’s the same thing as reflex sympathetic dystrophy. And it’s a strange bird, because no one knows exactly what it is. It can happen from trauma of surgery though. I’ve seen that all over the body.
Maria: Oh wow.
Dr. Darrow: Her situation may or may not be RSD or CRPS syndrome though, because I’ve seen many people diagnosed with it, and they didn’t really have it. So, I’d have to look at her and see what the story is, and see if we can help. It sounds like it is RSD, because you said gets like hot and cold.
Dr. Darrow: Is the skin changing – the skin changing texture, is there anything strange going on.
Maria: Exactly, yes.
Dr. Darrow: Has it affected her hand?
Maria: She feels like it’s kind of traveling down to her hand, where her nail, like the color in her fingernails is changing a bit.
Dr. Darrow: Yeah, okay. Do you know if she’s had stelite ganglion blocks yet?
Maria: Is that the one where they put it through your neck?
Dr. Darrow: Yes.
Maria: Yeah, I think she’s had about three of them, and she says it takes the pain away for maybe an hour or so, and then it just comes right back, and after that shot…
Dr. Darrow: Okay. I’m going to give you a referral of a neurologist in Santa Monica. His name is Sheldon Jordan.
Maria: Sheldon Jordan.
Dr. Darrow: And he’s one of the best at that. He’s an amazing, amazing doctor.
Maria: Oh okay.
Dr. Darrow: Okay?
Maria: Okay, I will definitely pass that on to her.
Dr. Darrow: It’s not something that I personally can take care of from the way you’re talking about it.
Maria: Okay, great. So, she can also call you, correct? And maybe set up something…
Dr. Darrow: Yeah, I mean the best way to get a hold of me is through the website which is www.lastemcells.com because there’s a place to email me through that.
Maria: Okay, I will definitely pass on the information, and hopefully he can help her.
Dr. Darrow: All right, Maria, God bless you and God bless your sister.
Nita: Thank you Maria. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, and we’re going to Caesar in Los Angeles.
Dr. Darrow: Caesar, Dr. Marc Darrow how are you?
Caesar: Well, not so good, doctor. You see I have a real sharp going from my lower back, I can’t seem to lift either of my legs further than maybe six inches off ground without severe pain. I feel the pain shooting from my hip area, all the way down like it hits a nerve all the way down my leg to my knees, and I can’t open my legs at all without very severe pain.
Dr. Darrow: What did your doctor tell you about it?
Caesar: Well, you see the thing is, is I went to the doctor, and he recommended me to a chiropractor, and I went to the chiropractor, and he tried to align my back, but I will just say that the pain was gone for a couple of hours, and then it just came right back.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, how long has this been going on Caesar?
Caesar: This has been going on for about six months now.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, do you have any – hang on with us, because this is important, okay, Caesar?
Nita: Hold on Caesar, everybody hold on. We’ve got to take our little quick halftime break here on Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. I’m your host Nita Vallens, and grab a pen or a pencil and write down this important information about to come your way, and we’ll be right back.
Narrator: Whether you have pain in your back or joints, surgery may not be the answer. Instead of the dangers involved in cutting out tissue, consider healing and rejuvenating the area with stem cells, platelet-rich plasma or Prolotherapy, the treatments that are available to professional athletes are now available for you. Watch the videos at jointrehab.com or call the Darrow Wellness Institute at 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, that’s 800-300-9300.
Nita: Welcome back to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. I’m your host Nita Vallens and we’re taking your calls at 1-866-870-5752. Remember to check out the website at www.lastemcells.com, that’s lastemcells.com and right now we’re speaking with Caesar in Los Angeles.
Dr. Darrow: Caesar, Dr. Marc Darrow I just wanted to go over a few things before we continue with you, because you have some very important issues. Number one, our show is about musculoskeletal pain, that means your tendons, your ligaments, your joints. We are working very well at healing things like meniscal tears in the knee, labral tears in the hips, arthritis, rotator cuff tears in the shoulder, anything really from the top of the head to the bottom of the foot, because we can grow back the tissue that is either worn out, injured, or arthritic.
And we do that with platelets, which are cells in your blood, we just draw your blood, we spin it in a centrifuge, and then we inject right there, same day process. Or we take your bone marrow from the back of your pelvis, and we spin that, and we get stem cells, plus we get platelets at the same time. And again, that’s a quick procedure in and out the door, although honestly, I’m very busy, and people do sometimes have to wait, so always bring a good book when you come to see me.
Caesar, you’re talking about you have low back pain is that correct?
Caesar: Yes, doctor. You see…
Dr. Darrow: Okay, let me – let me talk for a minute, we heard you before, I want to just ask you quick questions. So, you do have low back pain, yes or no?
Dr. Darrow: Okay, and it’s been about six months. Typically, low back pain that I find can be healed with PRP, platelet-rich plasma and it’s generally from the ligaments that are sprained. Now oftentimes people may have a herniated disk or stenosis, or something like that, but when it’s not going down the legs causing that problem, that’s not the issue. That’s not the pain generator. So, we need to do a good examination to find out where the pain is coming from.
Caesar: Well, yes, doctor because I feel that on both of my hip joints – on both of my hip joints, that’s where I feel the pain mostly and it feels like the nerve runs down the top of my thighs on both sides.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, Caesar, I want you to listen for a minute, because I’ve got a lot to tell you. You mentioned that you have trouble lifting your feet more than six inches off the ground. That means you may have a problem in your spinal cord. And what kind of doctor did you go to see beside the chiropractor?
Caesar: Well, I have the Kaiser [00:03:29] insurance and he referred me to a chiropractor.
Dr. Darrow: Okay, well you need to get referred to a neurosurgeon, and if it were me, I would tell you to go do that right now, because you may have a problem called cauda equina syndrome where the nerves are causing a problem in the lower end of the spinal cord. Are you able to go to the bathroom, any bowel or bladder problems?
Caesar: No, no, sir. I have very difficult time even squatting down, I can’t tie my own shoes, my wife has…
Dr. Darrow: Okay, listen, listen, listen, please sir. You need to go to Kaiser now, okay, you may have a big problem going on, that no one has spotted, all right, that’s all I have to tell you. I can’t talk about your situation any more than that, all right?
Caesar: Well, thank you very much.
Dr. Darrow: Let’s move on Nita.
Nita: Thank you for your call, Caesar, we really appreciate it.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, that could be an emergency situation.
Nita: Yes, so I hope he goes right now. So, our number is 1-866-870-5752, 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Willis in West Covina.
Dr. Darrow: Willis, I understand that your left knee bothers you, is that correct?
Willis: Yes, sir.
Dr. Darrow: Are you able to get off your Bluetooth or out of the car or something?
Willis: Yes, yes, I’m about to now, okay, better?
Dr. Darrow: A little bit. You’re not as good as some others.
Willis: I should have called from land, I’m sorry.
Dr. Darrow: How long has your left knee bothered you for?
Willis: I’m a bicyclist, and it’s been coming on, off and on the last probably year and a half, two years. You know right this minute it’s not hurting, I didn’t bike ride for about the last 10 days, I’ve been out of town, so I was actually able to go upstairs without much pain, but…
Dr. Darrow: Well, what does that tell you, Willis? Willis, you’re a smart man, what does that tell you? What does that tell you?
Willis: Well, obviously the bike riding isn’t helping it, but also certain motion and overuse of it, and I need something fixed with it.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, that’s sound right. You hit the two nails on the head. One is that you’re doing something to hurt yourself, and the other is you need to fix it. That’s exactly what I was going to tell you.
Willis: I also have – I also have Kaiser, and Medicare, I know we’re still in the open enrollment, the other – the cares that may help cover that?
Dr. Darrow: It’s called Care Credit. But my office can help you set it up, if you call them.
Dr. Darrow: The phone number to the office is 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300. You can actually call them now, and if the phones are busy because of the radio show, just leave your name and phone number, and they’ll get back to you today, and help you figure all that out. But it sounds to me like you got…
Willis: Okay, I had a friend who came in, and you helped him with his shoulder…
Dr. Darrow: Nita, why am I laughing.
Nita: Because you’re both talking at the same time.
Dr. Darrow: You know today is the day that people like to cut off poor Marc.
Willis: I’ve been trying not to. I know you don’t enjoy, so I’ll be quiet right now.
Dr. Darrow: Oh, I enjoy everything, it’s just that you’re not going to get the information you want.
Dr. Darrow: You called for a reason, right?
Willis: That’s right, I just wasn’t sure, okay.
Dr. Darrow: So, the answer is this. Most likely what’s going on if you have an overuse syndrome in your left knee, you may have arthritis, you may have a meniscal tear. I don’t really care what it is, because these regenerative medicine procedures heal pretty much everything, okay.
Dr. Darrow: People go why don’t you – do I need to get an MRI before I come in? No. But when you come in you need to get an examination, so I can figure out what’s going on. We can always get an MRI or an x-ray if we want to. X-rays don’t show the soft tissue, they show the bones, so they’re not that great. But MRIs do show a lot and then I use my ultrasound to find other things. We can look inside with the ultrasound.
But you know the main thing is this. You need to find someone – in my book, you need to find someone who does regenerative medicine. And you may need to see an orthopedic surgeon to get informed consent, which means even when someone comes to me, and I can tell them what’s going on, I still often send them to an orthopedic surgeon, or a neurosurgeon for another opinion, because I don’t want to tell a person the best thing for them.
I like to have them decide for themselves, and a lot of patients get mad at me, I have it every day. They go you tell me what to do, and I go I’m not doing that. I’m not responsible for what your decision is. You have to decide. I’ll educate you, and I’ll spend as much time as you want, and I often spend an hour or so with patients. My staff gets mad at me. On the overhead, I keep hearing “eta Dr. Darrow, eta”. You know sometimes I have to get my butt out of there and start seeing some other patients.
But I have a good time talking to patients, and every single patient gets my cell number, and I tell them, you know you text me, you call me any time day or night, you’re not going to bother me ever. When I go to sleep I turn my phone off. When I wake up I answer all the texts and phone numbers.
All right, there’s nothing else you tell me…
Willis: Great, I have a quick question, then a quick final question, if I were to come in, would it best to…
Dr. Darrow: I’m laughing again, Nita.
Nita: Okay, so Willis?
Willis: Would it be good to ride the bike, so I get a little pain, just so you can help find the locale, or just come in the way I am?
Dr. Darrow: Well, if you have no pain while you’re in my office, we’re going to need to elicit the pain.
Willis: With a hammer or…
Dr. Darrow: No, just by your activities.
Nita: No, just throw your bike – yeah, just throw your bike in the car, just in case.
Dr. Darrow: Yeah, bring your bike along, and maybe I’ll send you out for a bike ride.
Willis: Sounds good, a real quick final question. With you being Living Pain Free you guys uses needles, ouch. I hate needles.
Dr. Darrow: You know what I never – Willis, let me tell you something man, I’ve been doing this 20 years. The way I started doing it was on my own body, all right. In 20 years, I haven’t added up all the patients I’ve done, or all the treatments I’ve done, but we see you know an average of 15, 18, 19 people a day, and most of them are getting procedures called needles, all right. And I get about 80 new patients a month. Do you think one person has ever said please, I like needles?
Willis: I don’t know, maybe.
Dr. Darrow: But I will tell you this. I have a lot of people after I inject one body part, and they go that’s all there is? Can you also do this? So, so it’s not a big deal, that’s all I can tell you.
Nita: So, can I say something about those needles, Dr. Darrow?
Dr. Darrow: Absolutely, Nita.
Nita: You use a very – Willis I had the treatment several times from injuries, and so this needle is so small, I’m very needle phobic, and if I could handle it, you could handle it. You’re a big guy, I’m five-two, come on.
Dr. Darrow: Hey Willis…
Willis: My little sister will help me get better, thank you so much.
Nita: Thank you, Willis.
Dr. Darrow: Willis, how does it feel off a bicycle?
Willis: Well, certainly not wonderful, but fortunately I’m pretty careful, I haven’t had too many falls, but still it’s – the one bad one…
Dr. Darrow: But when you fall off, you get back on it, don’t you?
Willis: That’s true. That’s true, yes.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, well, the needles are nothing like that, believe me.
Willis: The outcome overweighs the initial – yeah, fear.
Dr. Darrow: And you know honestly, Willis, I’ve had people when I’ve told them what the procedure is, they’ve walked out the door. I had the top hitter for the Yankees many years ago, he flew all the way in with his wife from New York. And he said you’re going to do what? And I said you mean you didn’t read about this? You don’t know what this is? He goes no, I can’t take a needle I’m going to go get surgery. Now, did that make sense to you?
Dr. Darrow: No.
Dr. Darrow: Because when you get surgery, you get needles, plus you get an open wound that might get infected, and might make you worse. But at any rate…
Willis: And a very sharp knife.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, a very sharp knife, called a scalpel.
Willis: And a very sharp knife.
Dr. Darrow: All right, Willis, God bless man, I think you know you’ve got great hope of healing that knee up. It doesn’t even sound that bad.
Nita: Thank you so much, Willis. That’s awesome, okay. Our number is 1-866-870-5752 and the website www.lastemcells.com and right now we’re going to talk to Tony in Mission Viejo.
Dr. Darrow: Tony, Dr. Marc Darrow how are you today?
Tony: Good, doctor good. Yeah, I had a traumatic fall in January of ’16, I went down a flight of stairs, and I fell back on my head, and my upper spine, and trapezius region, and I’ve been in chronic, constant pain ever since then.
Dr. Darrow: Well, where have you been? I’ve been looking for you?
Tony: Well, you know I’ve been home doing a whole lot of nothing and prior to the injury I was exercising about five times a week. I was even surfing, and after the fall I couldn’t really even much get out of bed to use the bathroom, I had so much vertigo and dizziness. And that’s kind of been going on…
Dr. Darrow: Well as of – as of now, what is going on? Have you been to a doctor?
Tony: Oh yeah. I’ve been to – I’ve been to many doctors. I’ve had doctors tell me it’s all in my head.
Dr. Darrow: And what did they tell you?
Tony: I’ve had doctors tell me that I’m dealing with post traumatic…
Dr. Darrow: It’s not in your head. It’s not in your head, it’s in your neck and in your shoulder.
Dr. Darrow: It’s not in your head, it’s in you neck and your shoulder. No, here’s the reason the doctors say it’s all in your head. I hear this all the time from patients. They go, the doctor can’t do anything, they say I’m making it up. That’s because doctors don’t generally check soft tissue, they’re looking for broken bones, herniated disks, things that show up on MRIs, or in x-rays. Those things to me are not all that relevant.
Tony: Yeah, that’s what…
Dr. Darrow: So, I’m going to use my hand.
Tony: Because I’ve always told them I suspect this is the neck, a neck injury because I have these post-concussion symptoms when my neck is flaring up. So anytime my neck is flaring up, then I have these types of symptoms, and so they don’t understand that, so I kind of had kind of go off the beaten track again, just like everything in my life, when I wanted to get solved medically, I’ve had to go outside of the box. And I realize that there’s a few doctors who do this Prolotherapy to kind of tighten up the ligaments and the tendons in the neck, do like cervical instability, I don’t know if you’re familiar with that term or not.
Dr. Darrow: I’m familiar with it all. I’m one of the oldest Prolotherapists around. I’ve been doing it for 20 years.
Tony: Okay, well great, so you know…
Dr. Darrow: But I’m going to tell you this also – Tony, prolo is very weak in terms of its healing abilities compared to platelets which is weaker than stem cells and platelets together. So how do I know that? I did my left knee 10 times with dextrose Prolotherapy, because my dog hit me full speed at the dog park, and loosened up my knee, my patella was catching. I did it 10 times with dextrose, and it would tighten it up, and then I would go running in the mountains where I live with my two Huskies pulling me, and it would loosen up again.
I then did one PRP treatment on myself. I do this all on myself, and it tightened up like drum, okay. So prolo is good, but these others are much, much, much better.
Tony: Okay, plus I’ve also read that depending on the tissue sometimes prolo may be better than other solutions as well.
Dr. Darrow: I know you’ve – I know you’ve read a lot of things, and I can tell you I’m the guy that does the most of this on the planet.
Tony: Okay, great.
Dr. Darrow: And I don’t – I hear stories on the internet, I read it, and most of it’s a lot of bunk. It’s from people that don’t know what they’re doing, or what they’re talking about. I’m not saying all it’s like that, because there’s a lot of good information. But I tell people this every day. I don’t care what you have done medically, go to the doctor who does the most of it. I had a tumor on my adrenal gland many years ago, that was life-threatening. I went all over the world to find the doctor, he was in San Francisco at the time he had removed 300 of these, and everybody else I talked to had done zero to maybe five, all right. Where do you think I flew to get the surgery done?
Tony: Well, I’m not questioning your – I just understand that a lot of times people are not – any time I mention the post-concussion, people run for the hills. So, you know that’s kind of what I’m getting at.
Dr. Darrow: Well, I live in the hills, I’m not running from the hills.
Tony: Okay, great. Well, I’ll meet you up there, but the thing is, can we – you know do you feel as though this pain in the sub-occipital region I’ve been experiencing, and also weakness, this weakness that I’ve been having now just forever. I’m an athletic guy, I was surfing, I was doing weights four or five times a week…
Dr. Darrow: Wait, I hear something happening Tony. I hear you want a guarantee.
Tony: No, no, I don’t want a guarantee. I just want your thoughts on this sub-occipital pain, this vertigo, this dizziness, this fatigue that I get, any time my neck is going off, and whether or not this type of therapy is…
Dr. Darrow: Look up – go to Google and look up Barre-Lieou syndrome.
Tony: I’m already familiar with it, yes.
Dr. Darrow: All right, good. So, no, it’s not something that’s up in the hills. It’s something that’s in – mostly likely in the back of your head that can be healed. Am I going to promise you anything? Never. But there’s a good chance what you’re talking about can go away. If you come to me, it won’t be with dextrose Prolotherapy though, it will be with platelets.
Tony: And the same goes for that – that shoulder blade down there, it’s so crunchy and tight, so any time I rotate my shoulder, it’s just popping, and crunching. So, I’ve seen an upper cervical…
Dr. Darrow: I’m going to bottom line this for you Tony. We’ve talked enough, and you need to be examined, okay, that simple.
Tony: Okay, well, I’ll see you Wednesday at 2:30.
Dr. Darrow: God bless you man, we’ll see you soon.
Nita: Okay, thank you, Tony. Feel better soon. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, and remember check out the website at www.lastemcells.com, that’s lastemcells.com and we’re going to Bernadette in Granada Hills.
Dr. Darrow: Bernadette, Dr. Marc Darrow I understand you have a neck?
Bernadette: I do, just like you. Hey, I wanted to ask – I had a fusion of the C3-4 in 2000, I have been experiencing headaches and lot of pain. I did have an MRI. I have seen an orthopedic surgeon, and the MRI shows narrowing in the fusion area around the spinal cord. He did mention the therapy that you’re talking about. And I wanted to know your opinion on it.
Dr. Darrow: Well, the first thing I need to do is touch it, talking is cheap.
Bernadette: Oh. That makes sense.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, I mean all I can do on the radio is give you ideas about things, but can I help you? I don’t know. I’ve got to touch the area. Headaches and pain, often come from neck pain, and from the ligaments around…
Bernadette: Okay, so the best thing to do is make an appointment with you, is that correct?
Dr. Darrow: Yeah, darn it.
Bernadette: All right, thank you so very much.
Nita: Thank you Bernadette.
Dr. Darrow: All right, the number at the office is 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300. The first thing you do is call up there and ask if they take your insurance for the office visit.
Bernadette: Okay, wonderful.
Dr. Darrow: All right?
Nita: Thank you, Bernadette.
Dr. Darrow: All right, God bless.
Nita: All right, before we go to Eso in Ontario, I just want to mention before we run about of time, the Ideal Protein in the office, and the Vampire Facelift. For the Vampire Facelift please call the office at the number Dr. Darrow just gave you, 800-300-9300, ask to speak to Michelle Darrow, Dr. Darrow’s lovely wife who is – her expertise is in this area.
The Vampire Facelift and Ideal Protein, when you get to the office for your appointment or call, then find out about the Ideal Protein plan to help you lose weight.
Dr. Darrow: You know there’s another for weight that I like, and I like that program very much for most of my patients which is very quick weight loss, it puts people in ketosis. That’s a magic word today, but we’ve been using it forever. The onepaleodelivers.com is something I think people should look at.
I have my food delivered every night, and I don’t have to cook or shop anymore, and it keeps me nice and skinny, because it’s paleo food, that means it’s low in carbs, and it gives you all the protein and the fats that you need, and that’s all I’ve had today so far, and hopefully I’ll get through the day, there’s going to be a little track party for my daughter, an award ceremony, and I know what they’re going to be serving, and it’s not going to be paleo. So, I’m going to eat before I go to the party.
Nita: I like to get my fat through doughnuts, just saying. Okay, we’re going to move right on to Eso in Ontario.
Dr. Darrow: Eso, Dr. Marc Darrow your right knee bothers you, yes?
Eso: Yes, what’s going on is I’ve had numerous problems with my knee. I’ve had two surgeries, and I recently had an MRI and found out that my ACL is completely detached. So, my question is, do you recommend I get an ACL reconstruction and then PRP, because I also have knee pain?
Dr. Darrow: Well, well, well, let’s talk about a couple things here Eso. You say your ACL is completely detached, how do you know that?
Eso: The ACL and the MRI confirms it about two or three months ago, when I had…
Dr. Darrow: Yes, right, and I see that confirmation in MRIs all the time, when the ACL is intact, so I wouldn’t believe that MRI. The way you find out is if your knee is loose, okay. And to see that you’ve got to do an examination.
Eso: And I went to the doctor and they – he looked at it, and he looked at the MRI, he examined the knee, and he did notice a lot of movement a lot of forward shift when he did a test.
Dr. Darrow: Yes, I would have to – I’d have to see that tell you the answer to it.
Eso: So just suppose that the MRI is detached [sic], what do you recommend I do…
Dr. Darrow: Let’s forget if the MRI shows it detached. Let’s see if your examination shows that it’s detached.
Nita: Oh, I’m so sorry Eso, there’s the music that says we have run out of time. The office is 800-300-9300, please give the office a call to make your appointment. And for all the rest of you, grab a pen or a pencil for some important information about to come your way.
Thank you Dr. Darrow, thank you Alex, thank you Suzette, thank you all for participating in Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. And we will see you next time.
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