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Part 1

  • Email: pain in back, legs, butt, spinal stenosis
  • Email: successful back surgery, but now have ankle/foot nerve pain
  • Caller: hip pain. had PRP with Ozone

Part 2

  • caller continued
  • call: vampire facelift questions, also has foot arch pain if they do not wear their orthotic inserts
  • ideal protein diet
  • Spondylolisthesis, leg pain

Living Pain Free 12/30/17

Narrator: Are you living in pain?  Is it joint pain or muscle pain?  If so, stay tuned.  Welcome to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, from the Darrow Stem Cell Institute in West Los Angeles. This is the program that can give you effective solutions for the pain you’ve been living with.  Dr. Darrow is a medical doctor, board certified in physical medicine and rehabilitation.  He teaches about the use of Prolotherapy, PRP and stem cells.  Today’s program could open up a new life without pain for you.  Now here’s Dr. Darrow with his co-host, Dr. Nita Vallens.

Nita: Well, hi there Dr. Darrow.

Dr. Darrow: Hello, Nita Vallens, how are you on this fine day?

Nita: Terrific, and yourself?

Dr. Darrow: Living it up, always living it up, I’m very happy as usual.

Nita: Well, that’s awesome, and we want to thank Warren Eckstein who just wrapped up his two-hour show, called the Pet Show.  He takes care of the animals.  He’s a pet behaviorist, fabulous, and we take care of the people, specifically you take care of the people that have musculoskeletal issues, chronic pain. So, we have lines open for you to call with your questions to Dr. Darrow right now, that number is 1-866-870-5752, when you call the program today, you get some free books, one on Prolotherapy, a booklet on age management medicine, a booklet on platelet-rich plasma and stem cells, the latest treatments, and the fabulous, brand new book Regenerate, Don’t Operate, which talks about all the latest treatments with tons of research put together by Dr. Darrow.  And I believe you said that book took you five years to get published, so that’s fabulous.

Dr. Darrow:  Yes, the issue with the book, Nita, was very interesting for me.  I used to lecture at hospitals to doctors for their continuing education.  And I’ve been doing regenerative medicine for over 20 years, and I always knew it worked, because I was the guinea pig, and it worked on me.  And I was pretty astounded by it.  I had results overnight, overnight healings in my wrist and my shoulder.

And when I’d lecture, I would talk about it.  I’d give the science of it and there would always be a couple of orthopedic surgeons sitting in the room, who would raise their hands at the end and go where’s the research Dr. Darrow.  We don’t do anything unless there’s research.

So, I spent literally five years of my life writing this, and it has about 250 research projects that show you why you should never have surgery for elective procedures.  I’m not talking about emergencies, God bless the surgeons they work the hardest, I think of any of the doctors in medicine.

And they’re amazing people, they’re brilliant to get into that field.  I was actually on track to be an orthopedic surgeon, when unfortunately I had a shoulder surgery by my boss in medical school, and it totally jacked my shoulder.  And then I self-injected one time, and I woke up the next morning with a completely healed shoulder.  And that lasted 12 years until I re-injured it again.  I then re-injected it, and re-healed it again.

So, these are things that I’ve used on myself.  This is not something that I’ve just read about.  And that book has all my stories in it, it talks about my patients, and it will give you a heads-up on why you don’t need to have surgery, why you shouldn’t have surgery, if it’s elective.

And we know that the word “elective” means you don’t have to, it doesn’t mean the doctor chooses for you.  It means that you decide.  And I’ll tell you what’s really interesting Nita.  As you can see, I’m sitting here with a dozen golf balls next to me, with a magic marker, and I’m putting a marker on them that goes down the middle.

So, I’m getting ready to play golf after the show, that’s right, and I have rotator cuff tears in my shoulder.  I have labral tears in my shoulder, but who cares.  I say who cares, because I’m pain free.  And how can that be?  That’s the real key here.

Why is it that MRI lies about who I am, you have to be very careful?  It does.

Nita: Yes, that’s true.

Dr. Darrow: Because people come in – people come in every day, and they go you know I have shoulder pain, I have a rotator cuff tear, and I’ve got a labral tear in the shoulder, or somewhere else, and my surgeon says I have to get surgery.  And I go well, that’s ridiculous.  Why don’t I have to get surgery?  I did it once, and it failed.  It failed miserably.

I had a swollen arm, it was full of fluid.  I had a fever, and I was pretty nervous, because I had these big blisters after the surgery, and I thought I had a big infection, it wasn’t thank goodness, just a result probably cutting a lymphatic vessel or something like that.

So, I’m kind of interested, here I am working on these golf balls and talking to you at the same time.  I think I have two separate brains in my head, at least two.

Nita: Yes, but at least they’re not in pain.

Dr. Darrow: No, they’re not in pain, and you know I get these complaints from people every single day, I’ve got this.  I’ve got that.  I’ve been to three orthopedic surgeons, they all say I need surgery, and I start laughing.  And I go, I’ve got worse than you do.  And they go but my MRI shows it, they can’t release that MRI, that’s in their brain.  Do I think I get MRIs when I’m injured?  No way.  Why?  It implants me with something broken when it doesn’t matter.

Many people have been studied by doctors, people that have no pain, we ask, how many in this room have no pain?  We do MRIs and guess what we find?  All kinds of anatomical problems.  So, don’t get duped into this thing, that because your MRI or your x-ray, or CT scan or your ultrasound shows something bad, that that’s the cause of the pain.  It usually isn’t in my experience.

Even things like ACL ruptures in the knee.  People come in and they go I have an ACL rupture, and my MRI showed it.  And I examine their knee, and I go but your knee is not loose, so who cares.  And they go well, do I have it or not?  And I go it doesn’t matter if you have it or not.  It’s not relevant to your knee.  You have other supporting structures that are holding your knee in place perfectly.  So, don’t jump the gun and get a surgery when you don’t need it.

My book also has the studies on these surgeries not working, it’s not just that regenerative medicine works great, the surgeries don’t work, there is a new study, actually it’s not a study, it’s an article that just came out, which I can send to anyone who goes to my website.

But we have to be very careful, very, very careful, these surgeries have been proven not be good, the new article says that surgery is a placebo.  What does that mean?  It means you go through the mysticism of getting naked, putting on a gown, laying on a steel table, going into an operating room.  It’s like going to church, you know you feel like something magical is happening, but on the operating table, it shows that these surgeries should not be done.  I’m sorry, God bless you surgeons.  I think you’re wonderful people.  But read your own literature.  Please start reading your own literature.  It’s an old, old culture of operations and many, many surgeons now are switching to stem cells and PRP, instead of cutting.  God bless you guys for doing that.  Open your eyes up, and see what’s going on.  Did I blab enough?

Nita: I love it, because you know what this reminds me of?  If my hair doesn’t look that great today, so if you take my picture, I’ll look at it in a few days, and I’ll say oh, I don’t like that picture, because my hair wasn’t combed quite right, the way I like that, and that reminds me of an MRI.  An MRI looks the way it looks, but if you’re not in pain, then get on with life.

Dr. Darrow: Nita, I don’t know what your hair has to do with it, but that’s funny.  I don’t get it.

Nita: Well, in other words, an MRI is a photograph.

Dr. Darrow: No, no, we’ve gone enough.  Let’s go on.

Nita: I mean – okay.

Dr. Darrow: Let’s keep moving here.

Nita:   Okay, as long as I made you laugh, that’s what counts.  Let me give the phone number.

Dr. Darrow: Let me – that’s all that matters.

Nita:The phone number 1-866-870-5752, 1-866-870-5752, that’s the number you can call if you have any kind of body pain, then call us right now, and Dr. Darrow will advise you.  And also, we’re here Saturdays at one p.m., and Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM.

Dr. Darrow: So right now, I’d like to let you guys know, that we do take insurance.  We take Medicare, Cigna, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare, and for those without insurance we take Care Credit, we can help you get a credit card for medical procedures.  I think there’s no interest for a year on that.  And to call in to see if your insurance will cover at least your first visit, you can go to 800-300-9300, that’s my office number, 800-300-9300, and you can find out a lot more about the details on all of this rather than listening to the show.  Although the show will give us quite a bit of information.

So, I’m going to a question that came in this morning.  Dear Doctor, I’m suffering an excruciating pain in my back, legs and buttocks as a result of spinal stenosis from L3 to L5.  Can I be a candidate for your treatment.  So, I hear this all the time.  I’m suffering because of something.  And the statement was spinal stenosis from L3 to L5.  Does that mean because an MRI shows that, that that’s where the pain is coming from?  We just answer that question.  No.  You may have spinal stenosis, or you may not.  That MRI is not really exact.  It’s overly sensitive, it shows things that aren’t there.  Now, if there’s pain in the back that generally is not from spinal stenosis.

What is spinal stenosis?  Spinal stenosis is when either you are born with small openings for the nerves to go through from your spinal cord out down the arms or legs, and what does that mean?  That means your nerves could be squeezed, right, or it can be from arthritis when the foramen which are the openings where the nerves come out become arthritic at those joints, the facet joints, then you can get stenosis from that too.

So, it can look like that, but it may not be that.  So, if you have low back pain or neck pain, or pain anywhere in the back, we can normally get rid of that using PRP, which is platelet-rich plasma, a simple procedure, we draw your blood from your arm, we spin it in a centrifuge, and then we take the platelets out, and inject it, very simple, in and out procedure.  I’m hearing a lot of echoing Alex, you might take a look at that for me.

So, the spinal stenosis may be causing pain down the legs, maybe in the buttocks, but a lot of buttocks pain is just sprains of the gluteal muscles piri formis, things like that on the pelvis itself.  And we can also inject PRP there.

Now, we can also use obviously – we can always use stem cells.  I take it from bone marrow, so we get stem cells and we get PRP at the same time, there’s a lot peripheral blood in the bone marrow.  So, we get PRP from that, and stem cells.  In essence, that’s like doing two treatments at one time.  We find from our research, and by the way, we do research on every single patient who comes in, we track everything.  And we find that the stem cells are much more efficient than PRP, but oftentimes, I tell people they don’t really need the stem cells, they come in all jacked up and they go I want stem cells, and I go you can do it.  It’s a faster healing, but in your particular case, we can probably get by with just using platelets, so that’s up to the patient to decide.

Patients get mad at me every day, and they go I want you to decide for me.  And I go, I don’t make decisions for patients.  Everything you do is elective, you get to choose how you want to do it.  I’ll spend as much time as you need it, explaining it you.  I’ve written a book about it, several books about it, and they’re free to you, anybody who comes in gets my cell number, so people can text me or call me anytime, or email me, and I’m a good communicator as a lot of people listening to this show have been to see me, know.

When I get that text, I’m back to you pretty much instantaneously.

Nita: All right, then, so our number is 1-866-870-5752, I have lines open for you right now, so if you’ve been sitting around in chronic pain, and it’s of a musculoskeletal nature, do give us a call right now.  The number again is 1-866-870-5752.  And you’re not alone, because 30 to 40 percent of Americans are in chronic pain today.

Dr. Darrow: Let me take another question here.  I had successful back surgery for herniated and foot drop back in January 2014.  Had prior back problems for 15 years before.  No more back or leg pain after surgery, but nerve did not completely come back, and still suffer from foot drop.

Started to get foot pain along outside of foot, and there is in parenthesis a question, peroneal tendon, yes, it is over there, underneath what we call the lateral malleolus which is that lump on the outside of the ankle.  And cannot built muscle around the ankle or foot.

Avid surfer, but it’s getting harder.  Wondering if PRP or stem cell might regenerate the nerve?  So, there’s a lot of maybes about that question, and maybes about the answer.

Number one, the fact that it maybe involved with the peroneal tendon, which is a tendon that wraps around, sometimes I see them where they’re torn so badly or sprained so badly that they stick out like a finger all the way around that lump on the outside and we can generally heal that up.  I don’t know where this person’s peroneal tendon is involved with this or not, because it may be literally a foot drop from a nerve being pinched in the back, and sometimes if we wait too long, then that nerve in a sense cannot regenerate.

I would say an easy thing to do is start some B6, about 50 milligrams a day, see if that nerve can be regrown enough to get the juice back in the foot, we don’t know that.  I’d have to examine this person.  I’d have to touch the outside of the ankle, and see if this really is a peroneal tendon injury.  If it is, that maybe all it is.  It may have nothing to do with the nerve.  You see how complex this stuff is?

You can’t just assume.  In medicine you can’t assume.  The exam to me is everything.  And I can usually tell in about one minute from when a person comes in, and I do an examination what is going on.  They say why aren’t you looking at the MRI?  And I go because that’s secondary.  I do look at it.  I want to look at everything going on, but that’s really kind of secondary.  The exam is everything.

So many times I have patients come in after a failed surgery, and yes, there is a thing called failed surgery syndrome, failed back syndrome, blah, blah, blah.  That means something, very important to you guys.  It means that the surgery has so many failures to it, that the insurance company has created a diagnosis of failed surgery syndrome.  So be careful, these surgeries in my book, in most cases, should not be done.  Many cases they need to be done.  You’ve got to find a conservative surgeon, one who actually examines and I was saying patients come in all the time, failed surgery, I go did the doctor ever examine the body part?  No.  They looked at the MRI and decided to do surgery.  Well, how is that going to work?  Is the doctor’s job to fix an MRI?  I don’t think so.

Nita No, no.

Dr. Darrow: I think the job is to heal the body, and we do it by growing back tissue.  The stem cells are the top of the heap these days in how to do that, very simple, we go into the pelvis to take out the bone marrow.  It literally takes me one minute from the time we start to aspiration.  Aspiration just means taking the bone marrow out with a syringe, just like drawing blood from the arm, but it’s from the pelvis.

And very simple, and very easy to do.  We do – I think we did yesterday about seven or eight of them, along with probably 15 PRPs.  So, we’re, as far as I know, the busiest office in the world.  I do the most of anybody I’ve ever heard of, and I always tell people when you go to a doctor, pick the guy who does the most.  A lot of people are starting to get into this.  They have no idea what they are doing.  And I’m sorry to say that many surgeons are starting to do it, but there’s two things they do.

One is they don’t do enough of it, to get a good handle on how to do it.  And as an example, when I do a shoulder, I’m going to poke it a lot of times, put little drops all over to build a new sheath of rotator cuff tendons around it, go in the joint, the subdeltoid bursa, and what I find what people are telling me that come in, the patients, the surgeon will usually inject like a steroid, there will a bolus or one poke, and that doesn’t really do a whole lot.  Then they say it didn’t work.  Well, that’s not going to work.

The other thing that surgeons often do is they will do stem cells or PRP when they’re doing a surgery.  Well, that doesn’t make any sense to me, why put the knife in, why not just put in the PRP or the stem cells, and get the job done very, very conservatively and very simply.

Nita: Okay, should we go to the phones?  Our number is 1-866-870-5752, and we have Terry in Irvine.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Terry, Dr. Marc Darrow, your right hip is bothering you?

Terry: Yes, good afternoon, Dr. Darrow.  I’ve been listening to you for a while, and I’ve had MRI, x-ray, current x-ray, and then I had two series of PRP with ozone.  And it’s not getting any better, and an orthopedic surgeon said surgery, and that’s not an option for me.

Dr. Darrow: Well, it’s not an option for me for you either.  I mean, you know what did they tell you the pathology is on the hip, when they looked at x-rays or MRIs.

Terry:  The – shoot, I can’t think of it.  The arthritis is on the outside of the hip, just a little bit it looks like in the x-ray that they showed me, and the collagen has worn down, it’s not bone on bone, and I remember you said if it’s not bone on bone, it’s not surgery.

Dr. Darrow: Well, it’s pretty basic to this, if you can move your leg, you’re not in bad shape, you know and there’s really good hope for you.  It’s pretty rare that I get people whose or legs or arms, or whatever, the joints are frozen, and some of those are very difficult to work with.

Now, the shoulder, when it’s frozen we can usually help with PRP or stem cells, unless the joint is frozen itself.  Usually in the shoulder, it’s more of the rotator cuff tendons, the supra spinatus is the most common with that.  And that helps to abduct or move the arm sideways the first 15 degrees.  So that’s the most injured one in the shoulder.

But the hip, it sounds like you’ve got a great hip.  And it sounds like you’d be an amazing candidate for stem cells.  So, for you I would say…

Terry: That’s what I – sorry.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, for you I would say get a hold of me through my website, Just say we talked on the radio, and we can start a little dialogue there, or you can just call the office at 800-300-9300, and there’s people waiting by the phones all the time, when I’m on the radio.  If they’re booked up, you’re going to just leave a message, and they’ll get right back to you today.

Terry: Okay, that’s what I wanted to do.  The last question real quick.  Could that part of the arthritis or whatever, I don’t know, the muscles, the psoas, the IT band and the medium glut along the side they’re all tightening up, and they’re saying – all the doctors are saying that’s a result of the arthritis and it’s been going on for about a year and a half, and it’s so very hard to get them to loosen up, can you address that as well, when I call in and write in?

Dr. Darrow: Well, yes, I mean I can address it right now, okay.

Terry: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: When people talk about the hip and arthritis and all that, what we find most of the time that it has nothing to do with the arthritis in the hip.  That’s not where the pain is being generated from, it can be, but we find more that it’s what you’re talking about where the muscles that attach to the greater trochanter, if you look that up on Google, you’ll see pictures of it.  It’s not really the hip joint that’s the problem, it’s a tendonitis where all these muscles there’s 14 attachments around the greater trochanter, and we can inject those and usually get rid of the pain.

I can tell you literally in less than one minute, what your issue is by an examination.

Terry: I can’t wait.  I cannot wait.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, and you know the real problem that makes me sick is a lot of people that have this greater trochanteric tendonitis, or bursitis, a lot of people call it, get surgery, because of some arthritis in the hip, and it doesn’t work, because that wasn’t the problem.  You can have arthritis in any joint and have no pain from it.

Terry: Oh.

Dr. Darrow: The word “arthritis” does not equal pain.  It can be, but someone’s got to do the examination, and look for all the potential areas.  There’s, you know 20 different areas around where you’re talking about, that can be the pain generator.  We’re looking for pain generators.

Terry: Right.

Dr. Darrow: We don’t need to heal something that’s not a pain generator.

Terry:  I’m all…

Dr. Darrow: You know I don’t need to heal an MRI.  That doesn’t do anybody any good.  That’s an MRI, it’s dead.

Terry:  Thank you very much, I appreciate that.

Dr. Darrow:  You know you’re alive, I need to assist you.  And the only way I can do that is by touching the area, and moving you around and seeing what’s going on.  And you know I’m embarrassed to say – I’m embarrassed to say this.

My training in medicine was for the dinosaurs, it was archaic.  And I had to learn all this stuff on my own from experience and unfortunately most doctors who send me a patient, have the wrong diagnosis.  And when I say “diagnosis”, they’ll look at the MRI or x-ray or CT scan, and go oh, you’ve got arthritis, that’s the diagnosis.

But it’s not the diagnosis of what’s causing the pain.  You’ve got to dig in with your hands and be really super tolerant and take your time, and find these areas.  A lot of times people come in, and I go where’s the pain, and they go well I can’t exactly tell, I go put your running shoes on, and go run down San Vicente Boulevard where there’s some grass and make it hurt, if that’s what makes it hurt.  And they go, you’re kidding?  And I go no.

Terry: Yes.

Dr. Darrow:  Hang with us, you’re a good case, Terry.

Nita: Okay, stay with us, Terry, and everyone on hold, please stay with us, you’re listening to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow.  I’m your host, Nita Vallens and we are taking your calls at 1-866-870-5752, grab a pen and write down this important information about to come your way, and we’ll be right back.


Narrator:                   Whether you have pain in your back or joints, surgery may not be the answer.  Instead of the dangers involved in cutting out tissue, consider healing and rejuvenating the area with stem cells, platelet-rich plasma or Prolotherapy, the treatments that are available to professional athletes are now available for you.  Watch the videos at or call the Darrow Wellness Institute at 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, that’s 800-300-9300.

Nita: Welcome back to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow.  We’re taking your calls at 1-866-870-5752.  We’re here Saturdays at one p.m. and we’re here Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM.  Please check Dr. Darrow’s website at, that’s and right now we’re speaking with Terry in Irvine.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Terry, Dr. Marc Darrow, I want to recapitulate a little bit what we’ve been talking about on the show so far.

Terry: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: Number one, the show is about musculoskeletal medicine, sports injuries, arthritis, anywhere from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet, we take care of it all.  I inject everywhere on the body, and I do that by examination, not by MRI, not by x-ray, those things are important, we want to make sure we’re not missing something that is terrible.

There are times when we’ll get an MRI of a shoulder, or do an ultrasound of the shoulder, we’ll see a lung cancer or something like that.  So yes, we do want to be safe and use those.  People come, and they say Dr. Darrow, you don’t like MRIs.  Well, I do like them, but they don’t necessarily show me where the pain is being generated from.

And you’re a typical case of that.  Your situation is one in which I’m not sure exactly where your pain is coming from, you’re not sure of it, and I’m going to guess your doctor is not sure of it either.  So, the way we get to that, is we do a thorough examination, I can usually tell in less than a minute, where the pain is coming from.

A couple of the cases where we can’t tell though is when someone says well, I have pain, but I’m not exactly sure, let’s say it’s really hip arthritis that’s causing pain, but I’m finding some other spots that are not the hip joint involved.

So, what I’ll often do is what we call a lidocaine injection test.  Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that numbs the area.  So, if you are pain in that moment, and we can’t track exactly where it is, I may inject a little bit of lidocaine into you, if your pain goes away in two minutes, we know that is the bummer place.  You know I’m saying that’s – we know that’s the place that’s generating the pain.  Then we know to go ahead and treat that right then.

But a lot of people come in without pain.  They go well, I had pain somewhere over here, and I say where?  They go, I’m not real sure.  And so I will then make them do the activity, they say well it happens when they’re squatting, it happens when they’re sitting, it happens when they’re standing, it happens when they’re running.

And I’ll have them reproduce their pain by doing that activity.  And many, many times, not daily, but close to it, I’ll have someone go running down the street, and make their pain show up, then they come back and we can target what’s really going on.  Does that make sense?

Terry: Yes, it does.  I know right where the pain is.

Dr. Darrow: You do, okay, well that’s good.  Then if you can point it out to me, we can probably heal that thing up right away, no promises, there’s never a promise in medicine.  I hear way too often, people coming in literally crying after a failed surgery, saying the surgeon told me this is going to work, and I have people sign something in their own handwriting.  They actually have to write it out that says, I understand there’s no guarantees with this treatment.  And I understand that I don’t have to get this treatment, there’s a lot of different possibilities of treatments.

How many treatments are there in medicine?  You know thousands and thousands, it can be – you know if someone comes in and go I went to a psychic and I healed.  I go well, that’s the person you should be working with.  I don’t have anything against psychics if they’re healing people, do you know what I’m saying?

Terry: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: So, you have to be careful.

Terry: What I liked about what you said, because I was thinking stem cell is the next step, because they did a couple series of PRP, but you mentioned earlier that it’s not always stem cells if the PRP isn’t put in the right place.

Dr. Darrow: That’s right, and one other thing that I’ve had my experience with.  I’m not putting any doctor down, ever.

Terry: I know.

Dr. Darrow: I have respect for every guy who goes through medical school, has given many years of his life to do that, and has got to be smart – has got to be smart to get there.  So, I don’t put doctors down, I just think that they – too often they’re following a certain culture of what they’re supposed to be doing.  I’ve never had luck with ozone.  I bought a very, very expensive ozone machine, because I like alternative things, and I’ve had ozone injected into me, it made my pain worse.  And I’ve used it on other people, I didn’t get any results.

And I know there are guys who live their life on ozone.  My experience with it, watching them is they’re not the best injectors, they don’t get down to the spots that need to be done, they just pump the gas in there, and hope it goes somewhere and does something, because the idea of ozone is amazing, it’s O3, and it converts in the body to oxygen, which is healing.

Terry: Right.

Dr. Darrow:  I found that ozone works in many things to bolster the immune system, you can put it in your blood and reinject it, you can use it rectally and get rid of a flu, it’s an amazing thing.  But in my personal experience, PRP, which is a very quick procedure if done properly, or stem cells, another quick procedure, and if done properly can heal pretty much anything in the musculoskeletal system.

Terry: Wow.

Dr. Darrow: And that’s not a put down on your ozone doc.

Terry: No, I’ve never taken that, and all the series I’ve heard you speak about, you’ve never projected that all.  My question about stem cell is they said it’s only about 88 percent not accuracy, but success rate, is that right?

Dr. Darrow: There’s no special magic number for that, but I’d say it’s about that, yes.  And when you say only, the reason in my mind for the only are two or three major – or four major reasons.  One is the doctor is not experienced, okay.

Two is the patient doesn’t follow instructions in my clinic, which is when I think it’s working, and the patient goes it’s not enough and they go away and they quit, that’s not going to work.  Sometimes it takes several treatments, okay.

What else, they can be overusing the area.  Many guys and women are athletic, and they’re not going to listen to me, they cheat on me.  I tell them do not use that area, yeah.  And they come back, and there was one case that was so funny, there was a guy who was an avid golfer, and I did his knees.  And he came back and said this stuff doesn’t work.  And I said, no, it works really well, and it should work on your knees.

I said are you still playing golf?  I told you not too.  He goes no, I haven’t played golf, and his wife was sitting there, and she goes honey, what are you lying for?  You played three times last week.  So that’s cheating on me, you know in terms of medicine that I practice.

Terry: Yeah, I would…

Dr. Darrow: So, there’s reasons – there’s reasons why this stuff doesn’t work, but you’re going to get a copy of my new book, and all the research shows this stuff does work, it does grow new tissue, and you’ve got to be patient, it’s not a magical cure, it just makes sense.  You put platelets somewhere, they have growth factors, they stimulate new tissue to grow.  You put stem cells and platelets in which we do from bone marrow, and you not only get the stimulation of tissue with the growth factors, but you get stem cells that divide and actually become the cartilage, that’s pretty magical.

Terry: Wow, cartilage, yeah.

Dr. Darrow: Well, collagen, collagen is a constituent of – it’s the major constituent in cartilage.

Terry: Yes, there for a while…

Dr. Darrow: I think you’re going to enjoy reading all the research in the book, it’s a pretty easy-to-read book.

Terry: I’m excited, and I want to make an appointment.

Dr. Darrow: Well, the number is 800-300-9300.

Terry: I’ve got it.  I just didn’t know how much more you needed from me right now.

Dr. Darrow: No, this is good.  I mean we touched base and you can always email me through the website,,  And I’ll get right back to you.

Terry: Okay, well I appreciate all of your input for – with all the years you’ve put into it, and I’m so grateful, I hate to say, but your surgery didn’t work, and you started injecting yourself, and went down your path of research to write your book and prove to everybody that it’s true.

I can’t wait, because this is the only thing that’s left for me to try, other than surgery, and I can’t…

Dr. Darrow: Well, you know what’s so amazing?  Terry, what’s amazing to me is when I started doing this stuff over 20 years ago, I was the devil in the orthopedic world.  Everyone was like this is nonsense, he’s a quake, every doctor who had one of my patients would say you shouldn’t be doing this.

And now, guess what?  They come to my office for training.  I have doctors from all over the world train with me.  Many residents who are in you know their orthopedic or their physical medicine residency, or other residencies come to study with me.  And now I’m hot.  But it took many, many years to get this into people’s head that it works.

I knew it worked, because it worked on me.

Terry: That’s all that matters, I think.  Because our bodies are our bodies, I know everybody is a little different, but not when it comes to things like that.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, I’m very grateful, I mean I have a purpose in life.  I have a couple purposes, you now number one is take care of my family.  The other is take care of my patients.  And I love getting up in the morning.  I have a big smile on my face to get to the office, and start discoursing with people.  And a lot of the work I do is very similar to Nita’s.  Nita is a psychotherapist.  And a lot of my work is to teach people how to think correctly, and how to speak correctly, because they come in, and they’re so depressed about their pain.  And it’s very difficult to heal somebody who is depressed, it really is.

And I’ve got to straighten out their thinking to start using good words, instead of words that they don’t like to hear.  And you know I always tell people, they are God, and when they hear God speaking, they listen.  And if they’re the God speaking negativity to themselves, then that doesn’t work real well.

And my teacher would always tell me, fake it till you make it.  Claim it now.  You’ve heard that?

Terry: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: And when I do that, things come into alignment, not necessarily in one minute, but I work it, you know and I meditate an hour every day to keep myself attuned to the spirit.

Terry: Wow.  Okay, so age has nothing to do with it.

Dr. Darrow:  Age?  No, not really.  You know we hear people say that.  I read that on the internet, but we take care of every age of people up to – I’ve had people 100 years old that have done well.  And we certainly have a lot of very, very young athletes.

Terry: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: I mean you’re going to read that there is not as many stem cells – what’s that?

Terry: I’m 58 and I was super, super active up to two years ago, and now I can’t do anything because my muscles are so tight, I’ll just say that, because I don’t know for sure.  And I had no injuries.

Dr. Darrow: Well, I’m not sure what tight muscles, that might just be pain-generated, and guarding so you don’t hurt yourself.  But that’s something we can check out in a minute.

Terry: Yes, okay.

Dr. Darrow: I mean 58 to me is a baby.

Terry: Oh, I know I think you’ve said you were 70 or something and you sound 30, I know.

Dr. Darrow: Well, I’m not – I don’t plan on every aging, I mean to me, I’m 16 years old.  I just ran with my two Huskies up in the mountains sprinting, and I’m going to go out and play golf after the show.

Terry: See, that’s what I want to say I can do.

Dr. Darrow: Well, you don’t have to do that.  You can just say I’m a happy person and get everything that I have.

Terry: Oh yeah, I’m very happy.

Dr. Darrow: The first words out of my mouth to myself this morning in my head were I’m doing joy today.  I’m doing loving today.

Terry: Oh that’s good.  Because you will then.

Dr. Darrow: That’s what I do.  Well, that’s what I do.  Am I perfect at it?  No.  I don’t plan on being perfect, that’s what forgiveness is for.  I do that all day long too.  I’m human, but I can tolerate myself at the level I function at, and unfortunately most people cannot.  Most people are very negative, and we’ve been trained from the time we’re kids, to see the dark side, and I chose to see the light side, spirit is very important to me.

Terry: That’s why I’m so excited.  This is the greatest hope, and I appreciate you for that, thank you.

Dr. Darrow: All right, God bless you Terry.

Nita: Thank you Terry, appreciate your call.  Our number is 1-866-870-5752, and I was just thinking we didn’t talk about the Vampire Facelift yet today, and here we have a call from Naomi in Northridge about that.

Dr. Darrow: Naomi, Dr. Marc Darrow.

Naomi: Hi Marc.

Dr. Darrow: May I ask – may I ask how old you are?  I’m doing great.

Naomi: I just turned 69 on the 22nd of this month.

Dr. Darrow: Hey, beautiful, you’re my age.  Except I still think I’m 16, I hope you do too.

Naomi: I do, I really do.  I look young, and I feel young, and I’m always working out.

Dr. Darrow:  Good.  So, Vampire Facelift which you’ve asked about is a technique that my wife, Michelle Darrow, who is a nurse practitioner does.  And like I use platelets and stem cells to regrow the musculoskeletal system, joints, ligaments, tendons, and muscles, she uses it on the face to regrow the collagen in the face, and I’m not someone into cosmetics, I’ve never had any work done on me like that.

Naomi: No, never.

Dr. Darrow: But she started doing it on her face, and became a master at it, she’s a real artist, and I swear the people that I see her do, come out looking more beautiful, male and female, it doesn’t matter, we have about half male and half female that do the Vampire Facelift.

Naomi: And how often are you supposed to do this?

Dr. Darrow: You know what, I’m going to let you talk to her about that, when you either call in or come in, because I’m not a master of that.

Naomi: All right.

Dr. Darrow: I think I’m a master of the musculoskeletal system, but she’s the master at that, and I don’t step on her toes, and give the wrong information to people.

Naomi: Sure.  I had one more question for you.  I have an orthotic – I wear orthotics, I had an injury, I was doing aerobics and I was jumping too hard, and I came down on my arch too hard, so I have to wear orthotics all the time.  And I don’t have pain unless I don’t wear orthotics, I have the arch pain.  So, could that be fixed with stem cells?

Dr. Darrow: It can be.  It can be.  But I’d have to check your foot and see and I’d have to look at your orthotics.

Naomi: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: Did you have your orthotics made by a doctor or a podiatrist?

Naomi: A podiatrist, um-hmm.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, good, they’re usually very good at that.  We make them also in the office, and I’d be happy to look at your feet, and see if it’s something that I think that PRP or stem cells would be good for.  Or you know you’re saying you’re getting good luck with the orthotics, so maybe that’s the way to go.

Naomi: But I don’t like wearing those shoes – I can’t wear the shoes I want to wear that’s the problem.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, okay.

Naomi: It limits you.

Dr. Darrow: What I’d like you to do is – what I’d like you to do, if you so choose is call 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300 and how old are your orthotics?

Naomi: Over five years old.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, they’ve got to be thrown away, so when you call in, ask and see if your insurance will cover me making orthotics for you, okay?

Naomi: Okay.  Sounds good, well, thank you so much.

Dr. Darrow:  All right, Naomi, God bless you and there’s good hope ahead for you.

Naomi: You too, and Happy New Year.

Dr. Darrow: You too, thank you.

Naomi: Thank you.

Nita: Thank you for your call Naomi.  Our number is 1-866-870-5752, that’s 1-866-870-5752 maybe we should also take a moment and let you talk about the One Paleo…

Dr. Darrow: The diet programs.

Nita: The diet program, yes.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, that’s what I use to stay skinny, it’s a daily delivery, they actually bring it to my house around 10:30, 11:00 at night, and it’s all paleolithic food, even the breads they have are seed-based, where you don’t – you know you don’t up your insulin with these kinds of foods.

So, if I’m not cheating which I tend to do when I get skinny, I’ll have some carbs, so my pants don’t fall off, and it’s something that so easy to do, I mean I never have to go the grocery store, never.  I just – I get my food at night, they’ve got three meals and some deserts, they have chocolate, they have all kinds of stuff, tapioca which is low glycemic.

And for those of you interested in losing weight, I would look up glycemic index, just Google glycemic index, put a food in, and it will tell you what level it is, and how much your insulin will rise.  You want to keep your insulin very low.  When your insulin goes up, you store water, and you have more pain.  So, we want to keep our insulin low, when our insulin is high, we store fat.

So unfortunately, for most of my patients who are overweight, if it’s lower extremity stuff, you know the knees, the feet, the hips, I’m going to tell them to lose weight, and a lot of them get very angry with me, and I’m sorry, I have to tell you this, because what is the point of me helping you heal, when you’re beating yourself up with the extra weight.

And it’s very easy to lose weight.  I don’t care all the excuses I hear, is a great way to do it, we also have a diet in our office that is called Ideal Protein, and that’s a real weight loss deal.  The average female loses about three pounds a week, the average male about five pounds a week.  I lost seven pounds in one week doing that.

Nita:  Awesome.

Dr. Darrow: With the, I just maintain my weight exactly where it’s at, I’m about 168 pounds, and I’m about six feet, I like it like that.

Nita: Okay, should we go to Kate in Pasadena?

Dr. Darrow:  I hope so, Kate, Dr. Marc Darrow, how are you?

Kate:  Hello, I’m fine thank you.  I appreciate you taking my call.  I – last Friday, just two days ago, whatever it was last Friday I was diagnosed with spondylo – spondylolisthesis.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, listhesis means slipping.

Kate:  Slipping.

Dr. Darrow: It means that one of your vertebra in the back or neck is…

Kate:  Oh yes, it’s in my back.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, so do you have leg pain?

Kate:  Yes.

Dr. Darrow: Is it leg pain, or back pain, or both?

Kate:  It started out with just one little back pain and then it went to the leg, and eventually the foot.  And just recently it was in the back, but I think I picked up something too heavy.  Okay, I mean something that – go ahead.

Dr. Darrow: Would you say mostly if you had a magic wand, and you could either cure the back pain or the leg pain and foot pain, which of those two would be your choice, back or leg?

Kate:  At the moment, the leg is okay, it’s the back.  And the foot, because I have to wear just flat shoes, and I’m a ballroom dancer, I can’t put any weight on my left foot.

Dr. Darrow: Okay.  My guess is, the problem is not the spondylolisthesis.

Kate:  Okay.

Dr. Darrow: So many people have spondylolisthesis, and they die with it, and they knew they had it.  How do I know that?  Because we do autopsies on people to find out, we do experiments.

Kate:  Ah, good point, okay.

Dr. Darrow: Now, if yours was severe enough, did they tell you what grade it was?  A grade one, two, three, or four?

Kate:  No.  They just told me I have the report which areas it’s in, that’s all I know.

Dr. Darrow:  Okay.  If you want to email that to me, you can go to the website which is I’ll look at it for you, and we can talk about how much of what’s going on with you is related to the slippage of the vertebra over each other.  Most of the people I see with spondylolisthesis don’t have pain.

Kate: Oh, okay.  This has been painful.  And I haven’t had the pain – I had once years and years ago – oh, on my right side, this is on my left side.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, but most of what you’re talking about is from a sprain.  You bent over, you picked something up and your back hurt, that’s the ligaments.

Kate: Oh that was just a couple days ago, what happened – I don’t – I was walking on vacation, I walked something, it was happening on my left side, it went away, and then a week later, it came – well, I didn’t know if it was the same thing.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, bottom line, I need to touch the areas.

Kate: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: With my hands and the MRI…

Kate: So, I should make an appointment.

Dr. Darrow: I would, 800-300-9300.

Kate: Right.

Dr. Darrow: And you can call there right now, and see if your insurance covers the first visit.

Kate: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: Insurance usually does not cover PRP or stem cells.  In some cases it does, but usually not.  If you have an auto accident, it generally will cover it, but general health insurance doesn’t – we’ve got to go, thank you Nita Vallens, you’re wonderful.

Nita:  Oh, thank you.  Thank you, I’m so sorry, Kate, but that has to be the final word on that.  You’ve been listening to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, join us at one o’clock on Sunday on 870 AM, if you missed any of the program, and we want to thank Alex, we want to thank Suzette, and we want to thank all of you for listening and participating.  See you next time.


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