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  • Stem cells for Parkinson Disease, Dr. Darrow does not do
  • Tendinopathy
  • Caller: Myofascial gravis, Sciatica
  • Vampire facelift
  • Ideal Protein diet
  • Email: Meniscus
  • Caller: Shoulder problems after traumatic injury
  • Shoulder discussion continued
  • Caller: Older person – Hip fracture / osteoporosis and fractures in older women / Hormone replacement
  • Caller: 20 year old collegiate baseball knee problems – went to another doctor PRP shot – Stem cells not helpful
  • Caller: Rotator Cuff, went to another doctor had one PRP shot not successful – Dr. Darrow says he would have done 30 shots in the same session

Narrator: Are you living in pain? Is it joint pain or muscle pain? If so, stay tuned. Welcome to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, from the Darrow Stem Cell Institute in West Los Angeles.
This is the program that can give you effective solutions for the pain you’ve been living with. Dr. Darrow is a medical doctor, board certified in physical medicine and rehabilitation. He teaches about the use of Prolotherapy, PRP and stem cells. Today’s program could open up a new life without pain for you. Now here’s Dr. Darrow with his co-host, Dr. Nita Vallens.

Nita: Well, hi there Dr. Darrow. How are you today?

Dr. Darrow: I’m doing great Nita, how are you doing?

Nita: I’m doing great as well. We want to thank Warren Eckstein for giving us such a great little plug at the end of his program that just ended, is where you can find Warren, he takes care of pets. We take care of humans with musculoskeletal pain.

Our number today for your calls and questions to Dr. Darrow is 1-866-870-5752 and when you call the program today, you’re going to get some free reading, a free book on Prolotherapy, a free booklet on age management medicine, a free booklet on the latest treatments of platelet-rich plasma and stem cell, and the big new fabulous, recently-released book Regenerate, Don’t Operate, and you can get an eCopy of Regenerate, Don’t Operate off of Dr. Darrow’s website which is, that’s

We are here Saturdays at one p.m. and also Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM on your radio dial. So again, our number is 1-866-870-5752, lines are open for you right now. If you’re a long-time listener, and you know you have a question already, jump on in.

In the meantime, I know you have thousands of emails Dr. Darrow.

Dr. Darrow: I do, but first I’d like to give out my office number for those of you who want to try to do an insurance verification, we do take Medicare, Cigna, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare, and for those of you people without insurance, I know there’s a lot of them, we take Care Credit, which is like getting a credit card for medical procedures, we can help you do that when you get to the office, or before you come in.

And to check all that out, to see if your insurance covers your first visit, or to see if you can get Care Credit if you need that, just call 800-300-9300, that’s our office number, there are people standing by right now, if they’re calling in and the phones are clogged up, just leave a message, we will get back to you today, that’s 800-300-9300.

So, I would love to get to some emails until you monitor the calls for us, I see some coming in.

Nita: Well, actually we have someone…

Dr. Darrow: Do you want to go for that right away? Go to Katie?

Nita: Yes, let’s pick up Katie in Riverside, right now.

Dr. Darrow: Katie, I understand your husband has Parkinson’s, can stem cells help? The answer is maybe. The problem is I don’t do that type of work. I don’t do intravenous stem cells, and I don’t do them into the brain. I do musculoskeletal stem cells, which is something that’s done for orthopedic injuries.

If someone has arthritis, if they have pain in the neck, in the shoulders, in the back, in the hips, in the elbows, the fingers, knees, you name it, feet, toes, plantar fasciitis, everything from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet, we can inject with the person’s stem cells, which we take from their bone marrow. And we then inject it right away, in and out, I was going to say In and Out Burger, which I love, I shouldn’t tell you that. I did go to Tommy’s Burgers last night with Mia the puppy, and I ordered three hamburgers, paleolithic style with bacon and eggs. They wouldn’t let me order breakfast, so I just ordered three hamburgers with bacon and eggs on them, and little Mia who is our 10-pound little puppy was able to eat a full one, and she wanted to eat the rest of them, but I didn’t let her.

Katie: Oh, that’s funny.

Dr. Darrow: But anyway yes, it’s a quick procedure, and I’m getting a lot of feedback, Alex, if you can help me out. And it might be your radio, Katie, I don’t know, is it on.

Nita: Yes.

Katie: No, my radio is not on, I’m on my speakerphone though on the radio.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, please get off of that, that’s what’s doing it.

Katie: Let me get off of that?

Dr. Darrow: Are you with us Katie?

Katie: Yes, I am. Are you still getting a lot of the feedback?

Dr. Darrow: Right now, I think we’re clear thank you. So, at any rate – no, it’s still feedbacking, are you using a Bluetooth too, what’s going on?

Katie: Yes, I am, but I can do this here, and I’ll put it on my speaker…

Dr. Darrow: Yes, that’s for everybody listening please try to just get on a clean line without all these fancy things that make it sound terrible on the radio, I’m sorry. That’s the way it is.

Katie: How is it now?

Dr. Darrow: Yes, this is good.

Nita: Yes, much better.

Dr. Darrow: And if you do call in from your car, please pull over to the side of the road, get off your Bluetooth if you can, and it just makes it a lot easier for everybody else to listen to you. But any rate, Katie, what we’re talking about is your husband’s Parkinson’s, and if you want to…

Katie: Right, but he goes…

Nita: I want you to listen for a second, Katie, listen.

Katie: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: If you want to go to my website, which is, that’s you can fire off an email to me, there’s an email spot on every page, and tell me about your husband’s Parkinson’s, and I will send you to a doctor who specializes in that, it won’t be stem cells necessarily, it may be. But it’s not something I do. It’s something other doctors do.

Katie: Okay, great.

Dr. Darrow: And what we do, is we take care of injuries, arthritis, pain in the body, and we can use platelets from your blood, it’s very simple, you walk in, we draw your blood, we spin it, and we inject it, or we can just take bone marrow instead. With the bone marrow, we also get platelets, but we also then can get stem cells, which are the best treatment we do know of today. And the stem cells can actually divide and morph into the exact tissue that is in deficit, injured, worn out or whatever that is.

Platelets don’t do that. Platelets will stimulate tissue to grow, but the stem cells actually the tissue, they’re pretty magical cells. All right, so we can probably refer you to someone that could help with the Parkinson’s for your husband.

Katie: Okay.

Nita: Okay, thank you so much for your call, Katie. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, that’s 1-866-870-5752, and lines are open for you right now. And remember that’s musculoskeletal pain. Pain in your neck, your back, your ankles, your wrist, your feet, from head to toe, isn’t that true, Dr. Darrow?

Dr. Darrow: Yes, you only missed a thousand possibilities.

Nita: Well, I didn’t want to just go on and on and on.

Dr. Darrow: I know, it would take up the whole hour.

Nita: Yes, really.

Dr. Darrow: Anyway, I do have a question from someone here, it says I’ve been diagnosed with a gluteal tendinopathy, and recently had cortisone injections into the tendon. It eased the pain for exactly one month. That’s typical of cortisone. What are the outcomes for stem cell therapy to this part of this part of the body?

So, the outcomes are amazing, and especially if cortisone did work for a short time, that’s a very good indication that platelets or stem cells or both together which we get from bone marrow would be an excellent cure for the area, long term cure, not something for a day, a week, or a month, or six months, but something long term, and this is an interesting concept, and that’s why I chose this question.
A lot of people have tendinopathies from the back of the pelvis, and doctors who look at the MRIs of these people will find a herniated disk, and operate on that. Well, that’s not the right reason to operate, and it’s not going to fix anything, it’s going to make things worse.

Injections to these tendons, or attachments to the muscles are the areas where we can heal these things up. Just because you may have a herniated disk, or you may have arthritis, or you may have degenerative disk disease, or any of these sexy diagnoses that show up from an MRI or a CT scan, or an x-ray, does not mean they are the pain generators.

So please, please, please unless your doctor says it’s an emergency, we’ve got to get you into surgery right this minute, please consider regenerative medicine first. We always want to do things that are conservative in medicine not things that are invasive. With the procedures that we do, which is just injections, there’s very, very little chance of hurting someone.

With surgery, there’s a very high probability of hurting someone. And it’s so sad, I have patients come in every day, we get about 80 new patients a month, and out of those a huge percentage have had a failed surgery, a surgery they never should have had. And a lot of that cannot be undone. Once the knife goes in, it doesn’t really come out.

So be very, very careful in your choice to have surgery. I know it’s a sexy concept. I know it’s something you think is the end all of everything because our culture is so procedural-surgical oriented. That’s changing now. I’ve been doing this work 20 years, I’ve been teaching it at UCLA all that time. And we are showing the world and with our research too, and the new book that I just finished which is called Stem Cell and Platelet Therapy, Nita, and the bi-line of it is Regenerate, Don’t Operate is showing with research that these procedures that I have been preaching for, for 20 years work.

Now, I know doctors don’t believe in it, because they don’t read their own research, and I don’t know why that is, they don’t.

Nita: I know.

Dr. Darrow: I’m sorry, but they don’t read their own research. I don’t know why that is. It makes no sense to me. But at any rate this book, I think has 256 studies in it that I hope will convince you that regenerative medicine is a way of healing the body without surgery, and that surgery is really an evil in many cases.

Now, obviously we need surgery in many cases too, and this is not a put down orthopedic or neurosurgeons. They do amazing, amazing work, it’s very hard work they do. There’s a lot of risk and they’re conscious, you know their conscience, you know they have problems with that, because they can hurt people, and I see it happen every day.

And I mentioned this on the show before, in insurance diagnoses there is a diagnosis called failed back surgery, failed knee surgery, that means there are so many failed surgeries, they had to make a diagnosis for it. It’s not easy to get a diagnosis with an insurance company, it has to be something that is so over and overly done, that they pay attention to it, so please do not jump into these elective surgeries.
Guess what elective means? Nita, tell us.

Nita: Choice.

Dr. Darrow: Choice.

Nita: It means my choice, as the patient, it means it’s my choice to do, or not to do.

Dr. Darrow: You got it. Not the doctor’s choice, that’s when it’s an emergency. But I have to tell you, I get a lot of people that go to the doctor that says it’s an emergency, and I go emergency, it’s not even the right diagnosis. And it makes me very, very, very sad to see these people come in, after a surgery that should never have been done. Many people’s lives are actually destroyed because of it, so please, please think about it.

Go to the website, and you can see videos of these procedures, they are so easy to do, and call in, see if your insurance will cover it, 800-300-9300, we’d love to see you. I’d love to talk to you. Through the website, you can email me. I love emailing people, I do it all day and all night long, I get so many emails.

So anyway back to this gluteal tendinopathy concept, which a lot of doctors are going to operate on, for no reason. All you do are a few injections around that area, and they generally heal up. That’s one of the most common things I see, okay.

Nita: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: So be careful, that’s all I can tell you.

Nita: All right, should we go to Cynthia?

Dr. Darrow: I would love it, Cynthia, I understand the muscles in your arms and legs bother you. What’s going on?

Cynthia: Yes, doctor. I have a condition called myasthenia gravis.

Dr. Darrow: Yes.

Cynthia: Which I believe they said is auto-immune neuromuscular.

Dr. Darrow: Yes.

Cynthia: And so I was thinking if you had any ideas in a direction that I could go.

Dr. Darrow: I do, but it’s off the subject matter of our show.

Cynthia: Oh, okay.

Dr. Darrow: It’s not something that I treat with stem cells or PRP, platelets from your blood. So, what I would have you do is go to the website which is, and if you email me, I’ll give you suggestions for that, what you can do to help clear up the auto-immune issue in the body, where your cells are attacking your nerves.

Cynthia: Okay. Also, I have something called – they said sciatica, is that something you assist with?

Dr. Darrow: It can be. A lot of people think they have sciatica, which is impingement of the sciatic nerve, but they often don’t really have it. I get people really almost every single day that say I’ve got sciatica, and it never was sciatica.

Cynthia: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: But I’m glad to check you out, and see what’s going on. Give this number a call 800-300-9300, and you can ask about that.

Cynthia: Okay, doctor.

Dr. Darrow: Okay?

Cynthia: Okay, thank you so much.

Dr. Darrow: God bless you honey.

Nita: Thank you so much Cynthia, we appreciate your call.

Dr. Darrow: I think she got cut off a little bit too soon.

Nita: Oh, sorry about that.

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, I think you got a little trigger finger there going today.

Nita: Yes, maybe, it must be all that chocolate I ate for breakfast.

Dr. Darrow: I think so, because the last two callers both got cut off.

Nita: Oh, okay, I’ll watch it, sorry about that. And if you got cut off, and you weren’t finished, please do call us back, our number is 1-866-870-5752, 1-866-870-5752. I was thinking we could take a moment and talk about Ideal Protein and the Vampire Facelift. Which would you like to talk about first?

Dr. Darrow: Well, it’s interesting, yesterday a woman came in to have her knee aspirated, that means to have the fluid taken out, and have stem cells put in. So, when it was done, we always take a little extra, because people generally are going to ask. You know, let’s say we did her knee, which we did, they’re going to say well could you do my shoulder too. And I say well we still have enough left so yes.
She asked about getting a Vampire Facelift for her face. And we took those stem cells and we put them into her face to regrow the collagen as we get older, the collagen dries out and our faces in a sense they shrink down a little bit, we get a little skeleton looking and the fat goes away and all that. There is a way of rejuvenating the face. It’s called the Vampire Facelift, because it started with a man in Charles – his name is Charles Reynolds, a doctor down I think in Alabama, who coined the name and trademarked it.

And using platelet-rich plasma to inject the face, which we can do, or we can put stem cells in. So, we took the stem cells and my beautiful wife, Michelle Darrow injected them into this woman’s face, and I talked to the woman this morning, and she said she’s doing great.

We also can inject them into the head to grow hair, for those of you people that don’t like the hair loss.

And then for the diet program IP, Ideal Protein, we use it for everybody who has pain below the waist, because every pound on the waist or above is about four to five pounds on each knee. So, if you’re 50 pounds heavier than you want to be, or should be, 50 times five is 250 pounds on the knee.

Studies show that you can get arthritis in the joints just from the extra weight. So, it behooves all of us to stay on the thinner side of life, and with the Ideal Protein men lose about three to five pounds a week or sometimes more. I experimented with it before I used it in the office, I lost seven pounds the first week. I didn’t need to lose much, but it was an experiment.

Women lose a little bit more but typically you know about three, four, five pounds a month – I mean, I’m sorry, a week with that. Maybe about 15 pounds a month. So, we get people very, very thin, and if you want information on that, Nichole in our office, the person that handles that, and her number is 800-300-9300.

Nita: That’s 800-300-9300, and our number for you to call us right now and ask Dr. Darrow your questions is 1-866-870-5752. Remember we are here Saturdays at one p.m., Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM. And the website where there is lots of information is, that’s and you can also email Dr. Darrow off of every page on that site, that’s

Dr. Darrow: So, Nita, I want to do a meniscus question here that just came in.

Nita: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: The reason is, is as I’m looking – I know there’s a call coming in too. The reason is I’m looking at my emails and about 10 of them in a row are about knees which means that people want to know about knees.

Nita: It’s knee day.

Dr. Darrow: Well, not yet, but it can turn that way. So, this one says I have a tear on the posterior horn, lateral meniscus that is causing locking and instability and interfering with my ability to participate in athletics. I’m 29 years old, very active female interested in PRP with Prolotherapy.

So, let me answer this for you, I won’t mention your name. Yes, we heal and work on menisci every single day of the week. That’s one of the biggest things we see. And unfortunately, many people have surgery for this when they never should have done it. When the meniscus is taken out or part of it is taken out, that knee destabilizes and you have immediate arthritis. The bones get closer together.
There is a gentleman named Terry, who Nita knows very well, who also works on KPFK with Nita on a different show. Nita does have her own show too. What time is yours? Two o’clock on Tuesdays?
Nita: It’s actually one o’clock on Tuesday, I do a health show, called Inner Vision.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, right, so Terry, what’s Terry’s last name?

Nita: Terry McNally.

Dr. Darrow: Terry McNally, he came in, he went to Harvard, played football on an intermural team there, and hurt his knee, they took out the entire meniscus and he came in and the femur bone, which is the thigh bone wasn’t even sitting exactly on the tibia, the leg bone. And the x-ray looked terrible, his knee was crunching, he limped in.

And we did a bunch of treatment on him, and he did very, very well. The problem with this is the knee is destabilized, and it takes a lot of work to regrow enough tissue to make that person happy again. So please do not do surgeries for these meniscal tears, there are so many studies out there that says you’re going to be okay. Give it a break, don’t do the surgery. And that the regenerative medicine can help.
Please call in 800-300-9300 for a copy of my new book for free which is called Stem Cells and Platelet Therapy, Regenerate, Don’t Operate, or you can get it through the website which is Please don’t do these surgeries, please, please, please, please, think about an easier way, okay.

Nita: All right. So, would you like to speak to Ann in Manhattan Beach?

Dr. Darrow: Ann how are you? Dr. Marc Darrow.

Ann: Hello. I’ve had an ongoing problem with my right shoulder, between 10 and 12 years ago, I walking my dog on those extension leashes, which I do not recommend. He saw something that interested him, and he took off, and it pulls me off balance, off the sidewalk, and in trying to hold onto the dog and the leash, I had my hand and arm at a weird angle, and I fell, and slammed my elbow which popped the humerus bone into what was – according to what I saw on the x-rays, almost a compound fracture, I could see the two raggedy bones, and my shoulder too hurt.
So, the upshot of it all was one of the doctors in the emergency room said oh, you’re going to need surgery on this shoulder. And so I went to my family doctor and got a referral, and I went to the man that he referred me to in West LA, and he looked at the x-rays and said, I recommend that you do have surgery, that we just immobilize your arm and put the fractured humerus in a sling, which they did, and it was way for six or eight weeks, I’ve forgotten how long.

Dr. Darrow: Ann, can I cut to the chase, here, because we’re going on, and we have other callers, so your shoulder did pretty well for a while, did it just recently start hurting, or has it been hurting the whole time.

Ann: No, it has always had – let’s just say I wasn’t able to throw a ball with it. But I could use my arm…

Dr. Darrow: I got you. Can you lift your arm in the air? Can you lift your arm in the air?

Ann: Yes, yes, I could do all that.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, good. Ann why don’t you hang with us, we’re going to break.

Nita: Okay, you’re listening to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, it’s time for our little half time break here. I’m your host, Nita Vallens, grab a pen or a pencil and write down this information about to come your way, and we’ll be right back in a minute or two.


Narrator: Whether you have pain in your back or joints, surgery may not be the answer. Instead of the dangers involved in cutting out tissue, consider healing and rejuvenating the area with stem cells, platelet-rich plasma or Prolotherapy, the treatments that are available to professional athletes are now available for you. Watch the videos at or call the Darrow Wellness Institute at 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, that’s 800-300-9300.

Nita: Welcome back to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. I’m your host Nita Vallens. We’re taking your calls at 1-866-870-5752, that’s 1-866-870-5752 and remember we’re here Saturdays at one p.m., Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM.

And the website for more information is, that’s Right now we’re speaking with Ann, so Ann thank you for all the information you gave Dr. Darrow, he’s now going to give you some information. Are you still with us? No, I guess not.

Dr. Darrow: I’m going to finish this about Ann.

Nita: Okay, so go ahead and finish up with Ann, thank you.

Dr. Darrow: So, the deal with Ann’s shoulders, very simple, I would have to look at an x-ray, which would be great, but an MRI would be better. I want to see if there’s any type of a lesion in the bone itself. The good news, Ann, is that your arm moves. If the arm moves it’s most likely just a tendonitis you have left over, which we heal every day of the week. We do shoulders every day using platelets, platelet-rich plasma. We just draw blood, we spin it and inject it. Or if it looks like something that’s very damaged, you have a big tear, then we’re going to go most likely to stem cells from your bone marrow.
And just so everybody knows what that’s all about, it’s a quick procedure, we extract whatever medium of cells we’re going to use, and we inject them, and often they need to be repeated. Don’t think this is a panacea for life, oftentimes if you have a big tear in a shoulder, it may need to be injected a few times, there would be a series. If you’ve got severe arthritis in a shoulder or a knee, something like that, again, probably a few series of injections to get that fixed up.

And that’s really about it. I think we could definitely help you, Ann. And if you want to give us a call, it’s 800-300-9300. You can check to see if your insurance covers at least your first visit. Most of the regenerative medicine procedures are not covered by insurance, but at least the first visit is, aspirations usually are, when I have to draw fluid off of a joint. Certain things are diagnostic ultrasound is covered. But we do take Medicare, Cigna, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare and for those people without any insurance, we can help you get sort of a credit card without any kind of problem at all, and that covers medical procedures.

Nita: Okay, perfect. So, our number for your calls, I have lines open for you right now at 1-866-870-5752, and we’re going to Paul in Westminster.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Paul, Dr. Marc Darrow, I understand your hip bothers you, is that correct?

Paul: It’s not mine, doctor, thank you for taking my call. I’m really calling on behalf of my sister, who lives in the Midwest, and I’m just hoping you could – if your procedures – if you would recommend that maybe some procedures like you use would help her or at least give some advice, but she’s an older person about 73, just fell off a stool about two weeks ago, right on her butt, and has been living with some amount of pain.
Finally, went to a doctor, she is very reluctant to go to a doctor ever, and they immediately took an x-ray, said she had a – has a crack in her hip bone socket.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. That’s called the acetabulum.

Paul: Now, somebody immediately said can you have surgery tomorrow. Well, my sister, God bless her, wasn’t going to let them do anything, and the doctor that finally saw her said, yes, I think you go ahead, stay off it, you know use crutches, and we’ll you know kind of monitor this every two weeks. So, the question would be do your procedures – is there anything that would help that, or what would your recommendations be? I don’t – and I can tell you I don’t even know, I asked her, because she doesn’t go to a doctor – you have osteoporosis, and if she knew she sure wasn’t telling me that she had which I would think would be a factor in this whole thing.

Dr. Darrow: You’re absolutely right.

Paul: So anyway, that’s – now I know I’m hopeful that you can give at least some you know enlightenment on this whole thing.

Dr. Darrow: Sure. I’ll be glad to, many issues here. Number one osteoporosis in a female who is 73 is what I’m going to call normal, okay.

Paul: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: It’s average, that doesn’t mean you have to get it if you take hormones, okay, supplemental hormones, I like bio-identical hormones because they make women feel better, and men too.

Paul: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: Men can take testosterone. Women generally will take testosterone to help build the bones and estrogen, and progesterone. So, she should probably talk to her doctor about that. Unfortunately, the Midwest is a little bit behind times, but there, depending on the city she’s in, if you want to email me through the website, which is, I can help you find her someone in her neighborhood. What city is she in?

Paul: St. Paul, Minnesota.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, yes, there’s people there. So yes, you can email me and I will help her find someone if she’s interested, and I’ve seen – let me do the talking for a while…
Paul: What would her risks be on…

Dr. Darrow: Hey Paul…

Nita: Paul.

Dr. Darrow: Paul.

Paul: Can that bone just crack off or something.

Dr. Darrow: Bone – Paul, we need you to listen for a while, because you’ve asked a lot of questions, okay, I’ll give you a chance to talk at the end, please.
So, if she has osteoporosis, which most likely she does, any bone in the body can crack, the vertebrae is very common, they get compression fractures, you get a collies fracture in the wrist, if they fall on that. Hips fracture, all of that.

So, to me it behooves basically all people who are healthy that don’t have a problem with cancer or something like that to be on hormone replacement from about the age of menopause, and the same with men. Men get andropause, men get osteoporosis also, just like women do.

Now, in terms of the stem cells, if she has a fracture, it sounds like it’s non-displaced, it’s just a crack like you said in the seat of the pelvic bone, meaning the thigh bone, the femur in the acetabulum, that’s the cup, then yes, stem cells have been shown to grow bone back. So, she would have find someone locally or fly out here to visit you, and we can do it. And we can under ultrasound guidance, we do our joint injections under ultrasound guidance, we can put that needle right next to where that joint is, and put the stem cells which are accompanied by platelets, if we take it from the bone marrow, right into the joint, and help that healing process.

So, the other thing that your sister may want to do is get what we call gait training, or ambulation training, which teaches her if she falls, how to fall without breaking a hip. Twenty-five percent of elderly people, that means people 60 and above who break a hip, die from that. That’s a huge number of people. It’s not blown up to be some kind of sexy disease process, but it’s a high number of people, because what happens is after the hip fracture, they’re usually stuck in the hospital for a long time, they pick up an infection, and then they die from it.

So, she’s got to careful. I know she fell off a stool, so she may not be in that category, but yes, there are things that could be done for her.

Paul: Yes, that’s, I think the scary scenario that we all worry about including ourselves, so okay, I will put some things up on email to you doctor, I appreciate the insight.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, I’d love to talk to you, Paul.

Paul: And advice, you’re always so good with that. Thank you.

Dr. Darrow: I’m happy to get back to you, as soon as you email. I get back to everybody.

Paul: Okay. Thank you.

Nita: Thank you Paul.

Dr. Darrow: All right, God bless you.

Nita: Okay. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, shall we go to Steven in Redondo Beach?

Dr. Darrow: Yes, Steven, Dr. Marc Darrow. I understand your son’s knee bothers him. How old is he?

Steven: Yes, Dr. Darrow, thanks for taking my call. He’s 20, he is an athlete, was playing baseball through high school, left high school to go to college to play baseball, beginning his first year last year his knee was just hurting him, and we went to our GP, and long story short, ended up starting with a PRP shot, and then giving it four to six weeks, and then going to a stem shot, giving that four to six weeks, neither of which removed the pain, and ultimately it feels like we’re going to have surgery.

But my question is…

Dr. Darrow: Let’s use that – let’s go back to that word, it feels. Have your feelings ever been wrong Steven?

Steven: Many times.

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, mine too. When someone says I feel something, I go I’m not listening to that. It’s not relevant, what your feelings are.

Steven: Yes, I notice you say that it takes several repeat injections sometimes. Would it be possible that potentially it would be – because the doctor was not familiar – these were the first times they had done PRP, and stem shots, and maybe it just needs you know a repetitive series of shots. Would you recommend that?

Dr. Darrow: I have some recommendations for you, Steven.

Steven: Thank you, doctor.

Dr. Darrow: Number one, any time you go to any doctor, make sure he’s the doctor that does the most of what you want. You got that one?

Steven: True, yes.

Dr. Darrow: The most.

Steven: There aren’t a lot of them.

Dr. Darrow: I don’t care.

Steven: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: There’s no point in doing something with someone who is practicing on you. Forget it.

Steven: Well, he said – he did a surgery on my son, and did a good job with him previously, so that’s why we got back with him.

Dr. Darrow: I don’t care.

Steven: And I know what you’re saying.

Dr. Darrow: Surgeons are not prolific in PRP or stem cells. They use it as a leader most of the time to get patients in the office, they don’t really know what they’re doing, because they don’t do much of it, then it fails after one or two times, and they go I’m sorry, it didn’t work, let’s do surgery.

Steven: That’s where we’re at.

Dr. Darrow: I probably would never send your son to surgery. I don’t know what the diagnosis is, but I don’t care, and just the fact that the surgeon thought he should try PRP and stem cells means that it’s – to me, it’s not a surgical case, okay.

Steven: Right.

Dr. Darrow: Now, I do – I do PRP and stem cells if it’s an athlete typically once a week to once every two weeks.

Steven: Oh really.

Dr. Darrow: Why? Because that’s what works best. We do research on this. I know it is the culture of this to wait, but what happens when you wait, people get very frustrated, the healing is expanded, the healing time is expanded four to six times longer, and the frustrated athlete is going to go out and use it anyway. And then reduce the chance of healing.

Steven: True.

Dr. Darrow: So yes, I know what people do out there, and I have patients come in and they go well, I read on the internet they don’t do it like you do it. Well, guess what, as far as I know I do the most of this of anyone on the planet.

Steven: Well, that’s very helpful. See once you said once a week, or once every other week, I mean that was never discussed with us, and that was what I was wondering whether that might be a route to go.

Dr. Darrow: Well, he probably won’t even do that.

Steven: No, he was of the mind of give it four to six weeks afterwards…

Dr. Darrow: Well, right, but I’m not going to trust any doctor who’s early in this stuff. It’s very complex, very complex. Where you put the needle, how you put it in, if you use ultrasound or not, you can’t do it without ultrasound on a knee, it’s impossible, you’re going to be shooting stuff that is going into the wrong place, and depending on the examination that knee – that knee may need 50 shots at one time, he may need one, I don’t know over the radio.

Steven: Yes, right.

Dr. Darrow: But I know I need to examine it, where does your son live right now?

Steven: He’s in Redondo Beach.

Dr. Darrow: Well, okay, you’re calling me up for a reason.

Steven: Yep, we’ll definitely be in touch, thank you very much, doctor.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, and I’m glad, you know even if you decide to get surgery, I’m glad to be your friend, and your son’s friend. And a lot of people get surgery, and the surgeon does stem cells while he’s doing the surgery, and I laugh. And I go well, why did they do the surgery, if they’re going to do stem cells with it.

Steven: Yes. Well, thank you very much, and I know you have many years of this, that’s why I appreciate being able to speak with you, and we’ll see you soon.
Dr. Darrow: Well, I’m glad to help out, you can call anytime you like.

Steven: Thank you doctor.

Dr. Darrow: God bless, and God bless your son.

Steven: You too.

Nita: Thank you Steven, appreciate your call. Our number is 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Beverly in Manhattan Beach.

Dr. Darrow: Beverly, Dr. Marc Darrow, how is your shoulder doing?

Beverly: Well, I’m not sure. I talked to you quite a while ago, or four or five months ago, and then I went into my orthopedic surgeon, and I told – I had an MRI of my shoulder, I have tears in the labrum, and the rotator cuff, and the biceps tendon is or was all inflamed. It’s still – anyway he did a PRP shot injection in the back section of the rotator cuff, and a few weeks later we did another one in the front, and the pain just went…

Dr. Darrow: Is it one – Beverly was it one poke – did you have one poke each time?

Beverly: I’m sorry, did I have one what?

Dr. Darrow: One poke with the needle, or many pokes?

Beverly: One.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, well one is not going to fix the shoulder.

Beverly: He used the ultrasound to put it in.

Dr. Darrow: That’s good, that’s wonderful, but one poke in a shoulder is not going to fix it. A shoulder is very complex. If you have a labral tear, you need to inject the joint from the posterior end if that’s where it is. You need to hit the infra spinatus, the supra spinatus, and the subscapularis, and there’s other areas that would be injected, the sub-deltoid bursa, typically when I inject a shoulder, I’m going to poke it probably 30 or 40 times, okay, that’s the answer to your question.

Beverly: And is that in – are you talking about in one session, or over time.

Dr. Darrow: Absolutely, absolutely. Now, I’m going to tell you something else. About a year ago my shoulder was completely frozen, I couldn’t lift my arm up. I’m going to go play golf later today, if that gives you any idea of how good it feels.

Beverly: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: I injected my own shoulder many times, many, many pokes, and I’m good, okay.

Beverly: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: So, one poke shows me that the doctor doesn’t do a lot of this.

Beverly: Well, that’s true, he doesn’t. He told me he didn’t.

Dr. Darrow: And I’m going to put out this maxim to everybody listening to me, when you get a procedure done, go to the doctor who does the most of it. All right, I don’t care if that’s a cancer doc, if it’s a thyroid doc, an eye doctor, or a sports medicine doctor doing PRP or stem cells, make sense. This is complex stuff. It’s not complex the way these guys do it, because they just give one poke. That one poke doesn’t cover all the areas that can be the pain generators. Just because your MRI shows that it’s a labral tear, or rotator cuff tear, a biceps tendon inflammation does not mean those things are causing the pain. Shoulders are complex. My right shoulder has every single thing that yours does, I have labral tears, I’ve got an inflamed biceps tendon, I’ve got a supra spinatus tear, I’ve got a subscapularis tear. All right.

Beverly: Um-hmm, yes.

Dr. Darrow: But my shoulder is completely functional now. All right.

Beverly: And how – if – I don’t know, I don’t know how many – I’m sure you can’t tell me over the phone how many treatments it would take, but how, when you finally get it to where want it to be, how long will that last?

Dr. Darrow: Those are great questions. And the first answer about how many shots will it – or how many sessions will it take, guess who decides that, me or you?
Beverly: Probably me.

Dr. Darrow: You got it. Because there are people like me that have labral tears and rotator cuff tears just like you do, with inflamed biceps tendons, that have no pain. I have no shoulder pain anymore. Do I still have those things? Yes. So, am I going to go back and inject it some more? No, why would I? How long will it last? Until you re-injure it. I’ve had three series of injections on my shoulder that I’ve done to it.
One was 20 years ago while I was in medical school, after a failed surgery. I was on the path to being an orthopedic surgeon, and I hurt shoulder, and my boss in medical school, while I was doing orthopedic surgery, did a surgery that totally screwed up my shoulder. I don’t look at it like it’s his fault, I never blamed him. I love the guy, but it did that, it screwed it up, and then I learned about regenerative medicine, I injected it, this is a great story, lying in bed with my wife watching TV one night, with her screaming at me. And I awakened the next morning, completely pain free for 12 years, until I re-injured it again.
I then injected it a couple of times, and I was pain free again for many years, and then I get crazy with sports, I get very competitive. I hurt it again a little over a year ago, and my shoulder is good again, okay?
Beverly: Um-hmm.

Dr. Darrow: I’m the guinea pig for all this stuff. I can promise you on my own body, I have done more regenerative medicine than most doctors have ever done it on anybody else.
Beverly: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: I’m not saying that makes me cool. I’m not saying it makes me a genius. I’m just saying from what I’ve been told at national conferences, I do much more than anybody else on the planet. Hopefully there’s other guys out there doing as much, but I haven’t heard of them yet.

Beverly: Yes, I understand. I just – and I totally don’t want to have surgery, I mean I told him, I said God, I’ve still got my tonsils, I don’t want you to cut anything on me. You know I’m really – I was scared, I screamed bloody murder, because I didn’t want them to do it, so they didn’t do it. But the thing he’s suggesting is to sever the biceps tendon and reattach it to the bone.

Dr. Darrow: Get out of here, please, I don’t even want to hear about it. Please, I don’t want to hear about things like that. I hear about them every day. And it makes me sick to my stomach, and angry, I’m sorry. I know it’s what the surgeons think they should be doing, they’re good people. I just don’t think it needs to be done anymore. Those days are over. We can re-grow tissue. We can get rid of tendonitis, we can do all of those things now. We can get rid of arthritis even. Not all the time. I’m not saying this is a panacea and heals everything, but I can tell you most people get better, all right?

Beverly: Okay.

Dr. Darrow: Sorry, I get worked up about this, but it infuriates me.

Beverly: Oh, that’s all right, it’s very hard. It’s very difficult out here when you’re surrounded by people who are doing surgery, plus your insurance company doesn’t want to admit that there might be a better way. You know they don’t take on…

Dr. Darrow: Well, it’s very complex, I’m not going to get into the politics…

Nita: That’s a whole other show.

Dr. Darrow: Of medicine and the money involved.

Beverly: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: But yes, the insurance companies are involved with it, the hospitals and the doctors are involved with it. And I’m saying they all don’t think they’re doing great things, because you know I can’t say anybody is guilty of anything, we’re all human, but I can tell you there is a better way now, and unfortunately these surgeries will not stop until these guys are dead. When they die out or retire, all these new guys that I’m teaching at UCLA will be doing regenerative medicine.

Beverly: Okay. Well, you’ve answered all my questions, and I think I should get a copy of my MRI, and bring it up to you.

Dr. Darrow: Well, I’m happy to see you, you can go to – oh, it’s over, sorry people.

Nita: Oh well, give Beverly the office number, 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, sorry everybody if you’re on hold, go to the website, that’s and email Dr. Darrow. Thank you for your call, Beverly, we appreciate it. And thank you Alex, and Suzette, thank you Dr. Darrow for everyone at Living Pain Free, I’m Nita Vallens, and we’ll see you next time.

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