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Part 1

EMAIL: Hamstring, tendon damage
COMMENT PRP vs Stem Cells for tendon treatments
CALLER: Meniscus tear, Bone on bone hip
CALLER: Ankle Charcot-Marie-Tooth Disease
CALLER: Surgery for hardware removal
CALLER: Spinal fusion, disc replacement, sciatica
CALLER Bone on bone

Part 2
CALLER Bone on bone continued
CALLER Knee osteoarthritis / Patella
CALLER: Rheumatod Arthritis
CALLER: Knee arthritis
CALLER: Low back pain / bulging discs L1/L2
CALLER: Knee replacement

Living Pain Free 1/06/18
Narrator: Are you living in pain? Is it joint pain or muscle pain? If so, stay tuned. Welcome to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, from the Darrow Stem Cell Institute in West Los Angeles.
This is the program that can give you effective solutions for the pain you’ve been living with. Dr. Darrow is a medical doctor, board certified in physical medicine and rehabilitation. He teaches about the use of Prolotherapy, PRP and stem cells. Today’s program could open up a new life without pain for you. Now here’s Dr. Darrow with his co-host, Dr. Nita Vallens.

Nita: Well, hi there Dr. Darrow. How are you today?

Dr. Darrow: As always Nita I am living it up.

Nita: Well, that’s awesome. We want to thank Warren Eckstein for our great lead-in, when he promotes us at the end of his two-hour Pet Show, called The Pet Show. And we want to thank him for that. And let you know that he takes care of animals, and we take care of people in musculoskeletal pain. And our number for your calls all hour long today is 1-866-870-5752, I have lines open for you right now. And when you call the program today, you get a free book on Prolotherapy, a free booklet on age management medicine, and a free booklet on the latest treatments of platelet-rich plasma and stem cell, as well as the latest book, fresh off the presses by Dr. Darrow called Regenerate, Don’t Operate offering a lot of research on why these treatments work. And remember, we are here Saturdays at one p.m., and Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 a.m. And if you want more information while you’re listening today, you can see videos of the treatments being performed by Dr. Darrow at the website,, that’s, lots of research articles there too.

So, do you have an email ready to go?

Dr. Darrow: Are you kidding? Do I have an email? I have questions from everyone forever, it’s amazing. They don’t stop. Okay, so, I’m getting an echo as I always do on the show, please Alex take a look at that?
It says, hi Marc. I would like to know more about the comparison of PRP to stem cells for tendons. A good friend of mine had been having a lot of pain in his hamstrings, and after many consultations with various doctors, they seem to be focusing on tendons and the hamstring on both legs. A lot of noise on your end, too, Nita.

One MD told him there are many cases where a tendon never heals and after several years of him dealing with this, it might be his case. How are you doing with rotator cuffs? I know you were using PRP, but have you moved toward stem cells. I see that some doctors are injecting with adipose to bone marrow cells from the actual patient, but others use umbilical stem cells. I understand the desire to have injection materials ready, without having to harvest from the patient, and avoid pain and time spent, but which is preferred ideally?

Also, concerned about transmission of disease or incompatibility. Well, this is a doc who had come in the office before that I took care of. And I won’t mention any names, or embarrass anybody, but there’s a lot of good information, thank you very much for these questions.

Comparison of PRP to stem cells for tendons. Stem cells are always a better treatment, there’s no question about it, because when we do platelets, all we have are the platelets. When we do bone marrow, which I do, we get stem cells and we get platelets, so we’re getting two treatments at one time. Does that make sense? Yes, I hope so.

Nita: Yes.

Dr. Darrow: The platelets are very good – boy, it’s so noisy today. The platelets are very good for stimulating tissue to grow, and the stem cells are very good at dividing, becoming tissue. They actually can morph, that’s the word I love, they morph into the tissue that has a problem. That doesn’t matter if it’s cartilage or bone, or tendon or anything else, they become that tissue. So that’s the best treatment we have today.
Okay, so pain in the hamstrings, yes, we do a lot of those. They seem to be focusing on tendons and the hamstrings in both legs. One doctor told him tendons never heal. That’s not true. And I hear what doctors say all the time, and it kind of makes me laugh, because they are doctors that don’t do this work. They’re doctors that either are surgeons, or don’t really do musculoskeletal – they have all kinds of ideas, they’ve read a little bit on the internet, but you have to read the research.

And if you want the research, what you can do is call my office at 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, ask for a copy to be mailed out to you. Or simply, you can go to the website, you can email me from that, and ask for a copy of the new book.

You can also get a digital copy right then and there, by downloading it. So, this is information everybody who has pain needs to know. I’m ashamed at most doctors for thinking surgery is the way when we know now it is not my book gets into all the details of how surgeries fail, and how regenerative medicine using platelets and stem cells heal. So, if it’s my body, I’m not into cutting stuff out, I’m into re-growing what’s going on.
Another thing is as most of you who know me can verify from talking to me in the office, or just personally, I’ve had – I had a surgery on my shoulder when I was in medical school, I was doing orthopedics, and I thought it was very cool to do surgery. So, I had my boss cut my shoulder, it made it much worse, and then it wasn’t for a few years later until I discovered regenerative medicine, healed my own shoulder by injecting it myself at night, it was healed completely the next morning. And this is after a failed surgery.

Today, I’ve had a few injuries to my right shoulder, over these last 20 some years, and my shoulder is great. I mean I just pumped up before the show, I’m actually kind of shaky right now, from working out hard, and I’m going to play golf later this afternoon, my shoulder does not have any problems.

However, if a surgeon looked at an MRI or an ultrasound of my shoulder, they would tell me they had to cut me, the reason being I have a supra spinatus tear, I have a subscapularis tear, I have a labral tear. Does that mean I have pain? No, no, no. Do not get suckered in by diagnostic films to decide whether or not to have surgery.

It’s very rare that we need surgery anymore. If you have a broken bone, yeah. You know something that’s major like that, if you have cancer you need to cut things out, of course, surgery is needed. But for elective orthopedic surgery, that’s not the way to go anymore. Elective is out. Elective means you get to choose, not the doctor.

Nita: All right, then, so let me remind you, our number is 1-866-870-5752, lines are open for you right now to call Dr. Darrow with your questions about your particular pain, and it’s wonderful if you call, because if you have shoulder pain for example, lots of people with shoulder pain are listening, and you are helping them by placing your phone call.

Knee pain, elbow pain, ankle pain, whatever it might be, that’s going to help many people, not just you, so remember that, 866-870-5752, 1-866-870-5752.

Do we want to mention at this point anything about Ideal Protein or the Vampire Facelift, Dr. Darrow?

Dr. Darrow: There’s a couple diets that we use in the office, one is – you can look it up on the internet which is that’s what I use. I’m pretty trim, and this helps me keep my weight exactly where I want it around 170 or a little underneath there, I’m six feet tall, and I like being trim. And it’s a paleo food. You can look on the internet, find that and they can deliver it to you.

Or for those that want to lose a ton of weight quick, I put my patients on Ideal Protein, and that’s something you would get by calling the office or coming in, that’s 800-300-9300. That number is good also if you want to see if your insurance will cover your first visit and some other things when you come into the office.

We do take Medicare, Cigna, Aetna, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare, and for those without insurance Care Credit, it’s like a credit card we can help you get for medical procedures. But even though we take insurance, insurance doesn’t pay for everything, so you’ve got to be careful and I would call into the office before you come in to find out what’s covered, and what’s not. And that office number again is 800-300-9300.

Nita: All right.

Dr. Darrow: So, do we have these callers ready to rock, Nita?

Nita: We do, we’re going to Glen in Gardena.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Glen, it’s Dr. Marc Darrow, I understand you have knee and hip pain, is that correct?

Glen:Well, yes, sir. Well, not exactly pain, but I’m unstable on my knees because I am – when I sneeze, I have to brace myself.

Dr. Darrow: Is that because of back pain or what?

Glen:I use a cane and I have to rehab, but the MRI showed that I had a meniscus tear, and after rehab I developed a Trendelenburg gait.

Dr. Darrow: Okay.

Glen:Even with a cane, it’s noticeable. Now, and x-rays showed hip – bone on bone hip, I can squat, I have no redness, pain, or take no medication, no swelling in my knees, I just can’t put weight on my legs. And lying on my left side, I can sweep my leg to the derriere on the left side. The right side, I can sweep the surface but the leg is in the air above the surface with pain if I try to push my leg down to the surface.

Dr. Darrow: All right, well, Glen I want you to listen up for a bit. A lot of information here. You’re a little bit more complex than most of our callers, because you’ve got hip arthritis, you have a meniscal tear in the knee, and you’re unstable. And you have a Trendelenburg gait, which is the way to describe it to people listening is sort of a hobbling gait, where your side with the pain falls down, and I’m glad you’re using a cane with that.
Often the Trendelenburg gait is a result of a nerve injury. So, we’d have to find out the difference and see if it’s just pain that’s making you a little unstable, or whether there is a nerve that’s doing it. So, it’s not something I can explain to you on the radio, other than to say my hands need to touch your body, that’s the best way for me to get information.

Glen:Yes, sir.

Dr. Darrow: I know you’ve got MRIs of things, and I like to look at them, so bring in at least the reports, but I still need to touch the area. I don’t trust other doctor’s diagnoses, and I don’t trust an image to tell me what’s going on with you as a person.

Glen:Thank you. I thought maybe it was a never, because I – again, when I’m standing and I have to sneeze, I’ve got to brace myself.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, well, that’s not uncommon, that’s a common thing to have.

Glen:I see. And once I was…

Dr. Darrow: So, there’s good hope Glen that platelets or stem cells can help those joints, and get you stable again.

Glen:Oh, yes, once I was on the parallel bars and I let my weight go in my lower area, and I had to adjust myself before I could get my back out of pain again.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. Well, you’re complex, the office number is 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, I’d love to see you.

Glen:Thank you, doctor.

Dr. Darrow: You can also email me at the website and I’ll get back to you. I take care of lots and lots and lots of emails all day, and all night.

Nita: Awesome, thank you for your call.

Dr. Darrow: Thanks for the call, Glen, God bless you.

Nita:Absolutely, and our number is 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Susan in Inland Empire – is it Susan or Suwan?

Dr. Darrow: Is it anybody?

Nita:Is it Susan or is it Suwan?

Susan:It’s Susan.

Nita: Okay, sorry.

Dr. Darrow: Susan, so how long ago did you twist your ankle?

Susan:I twisted it a long time ago, can you hear me?

Dr. Darrow: Well, you’re on a Bluetooth or something, and it’s noisy, so if you can get off of that.

Susan:I’m on a cellphone, yes. I twisted it a long time ago, but I have a couple of issues going on. I thought I tore the ligaments. The doctors say I haven’t, but I have a disease called Charcot-Marie-tooth disease.

Dr. Darrow: Yes.

Susan:And I’ve had a problem with that ankle ever since, and I’ve lost the mobility too, it kind of rolls in when I walk now, and they seem to think it’s just the Charcot-Marie-tooth, and – but I have complete control of my other foot. So, I don’t understand how it can – I thought it was damage to the ligaments because of the loss of movement.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, well Charcot-Marie-tooth is a neurological disorder, and it was named after three guys back in like late 1800s.

Susan:The three doctors, yes.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, Jean Martin Charcot, and Pierre Marie, and Howard Henry Tooth in Great Britain. So that – you may have that, and that may not be the answer to the problem, just because you have that doesn’t mean…

Susan:I know I do have it, I’ve been tested, it’s hereditary.

Dr. Darrow: But what I’m trying to tell you is that it could just be that your ankle ligaments need to be strengthened up with PRP or stem cells, so it could be both situations existing at the same time, but we may be able to help you, okay.


Dr. Darrow: I have to examine you and see.

Susan:Okay, so how do I get that? This is the first time I ever heard your show actually by the way.

Dr. Darrow: Oh good, good, I’m glad you piped into it.

Susan:I just happened to be driving and put it on.

Dr. Darrow: Well, the number is 800-300-9300.

Susan:300-9300, okay.

Dr. Darrow: 800-300-9300. Call in right now, if you like, and they’ll give you information on your insurance and all that. And we’ll get you in and I’ll give you an examination, and see what’s going on.
Susan:Okay, that would be great, that would be wonderful. Thank you so much.

Dr. Darrow: All right, Susan, God bless you and good luck with all that.

Nita:Thank you for your call, Susan. Our number is 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Maryanne in Huntington Beach.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Maryanne, Dr. Marc Darrow how long has your elbow bothered you?

Maryanne:Oh, about three years ago, I took a really bad fall on a bike, and I completely broke the bone in half around my elbow.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, yes.

Maryanne:And I had surgery, they put hardware in.

Dr. Darrow: Sure.

Maryanne:And I you know regained all movement and then about two months ago, it started getting really swollen, and painful. I saw an orthopedic doctor and I’m going to go see him again Monday, and he said the solution is to take the hardware out. So, I’m not really thrilled about having surgery and the recovery. And I wanted to get you opinion on it.

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, I don’t know you, and you’re not my patient, so I can’t tell you, but anytime someone wants to take hardware out, go for it, because it’s a foreign body, it can grab bacteria, and it can be allergic, you can be allergic to it, so you know just on the face of this, I would listen do your doctor and have it out.

Maryanne:Well, but I have read is that the material – that implant can change over time, and I have been also experiencing a terrible rash and…

Dr. Darrow: Yes, that’s probably you’re allergic to what’s in there.

Maryanne:That’s what I was thinking. All right, well thank you, I appreciate your time.

Dr. Darrow: God bless you, and hopefully you heal up, if not, you know if you still have pain afterwards, we can probably help you using regenerative medicine of platelets or your stem cells.
Maryanne:All right, thank you.

Dr. Darrow: By the way, yes, I want to thank you so much for calling in. And Nita, I just wanted to mention something, the first question I had actually asked about things like amniotic fluid injections, placental cell injections and things like that, that are not taken from the patient’s body. And I am against that. I think that it’s fraught with all kinds of issues. Number one, it’s dead stuff, so it’s not alive, it’s not alive like your own platelets, or your own stem cells. And I’ve actually done it on my shoulder, both of those, with zero success.

So, I’m not one to think it’s a good idea. And I know it’s a great idea for people that are selling it, because it’s often done through chiropractors where they get a patient in, and then they just buy the stuff, and they have a doctor come over and inject it. Yes, that’s really easy to do, but it’s real expensive, and I don’t think it’s worthy of doctors doing that stuff. That’s just my personal point of view.

Nita:Good to know. Good to know, thank you so much for distinguishing that for the listeners, and our number is 1-866-870-5752, 1-866-870-5752, and we’re going to Laura in Valley Village.

Dr. Darrow: Hi Laura, Dr. Marc Darrow, I understand your back is bothering you, how long has that been going on for?

Laura:Oh geez, so long, doctor. I actually have a fusion at L5 and an artificial disk at L4. So, I do have back pain, and I’m sure it’s because I do have arthritis in my back but my sciatic nerve bothers me down my right leg into my foot. Is this something that you could help me with?

Dr. Darrow: Nope. You took what I’m going to call the dark path, because we try to keep people away from surgery, I’m not a believer in artificial disks, I see too many patients come in with failures. It’s a great theoretical idea. But I just personally haven’t seen them work real well.

I’m not a fan of back fusions, because the level above and below breaks down because of all tension from fusing one area.


Dr. Darrow: And I’m sorry you’re going through this. If it were back pain you’re having, yes, I could probably help you, but leg pain at this point I think you’ve got to go back to your surgeon and find out why there would still be leg pain. The leg pain is coming from a nerve that’s being impinged, in the low back most likely.

Dr. Darrow: So, I apologize, I like to be able to tell everybody I can help them, but you know regenerative medicine only works on the things it works on, and I can’t regenerate an artificial disk or metal that’s put in your back to fuse it.

Laura:Yes, and it doesn’t – nothing with the sciatic, you can’t do anything with the sciatic nerve?

Dr. Darrow: Well, generally if it is the sciatic nerve itself, nothing can be done except remove the impingement on it in the back.
Laura:Right, right.

Dr. Darrow: Now, there are cases – let me finish, there are many cases where people have leg pain and they call it sciatica when it really is not that. It can be a trigger point coming from the ligaments in the low back that flare up the leg. And by calling in, we’re going to give you a few books, we’re going to send them out to you. One is called Prolotherapy, Living Pain Free. I don’t know the page number on it, but there is a diagram of these trigger points from the low back down the legs.

And oftentimes when I’ve been injecting the low back people would say wow, I feel that in my foot, or down my leg. And I’ve had my low back injected also a few times, and I felt that also, so sometimes that can be the problem. It can be meridians that are lit up, and irritate you know areas down the leg.

Laura:Okay. Well, gee, thank you for your time, I sure appreciate it.

Dr. Darrow: Good luck, and feel free to email me through the website at, that’s as you go through your path on finding a way to heal this, and I’ll be glad to help you. There actually is a chiropractor, I know this sounds sacrilegious to MDs, but I like chiropractors. This guy’s name is Randy Weinzoff, and he’s in Santa Monica, and when people have leg pain, I send them to him, and he gets rid of a lot of it. It’s W-e-i-n-z-o-f-f.

Laura:W-e-i-n-z-o-f-f, very good, well thank you, doctor for your time.

Dr. Darrow: Laura, God bless you and thanks so much for the call.

Nita:Thank you Laura, for your call. And our number is 1-866-870-5752, and we’re going to Tom in Huntington Beach.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Tom, Dr. Marc Darrow how are you today?


Nita:Tom? You’re on the air.

Dr. Darrow: Tom, we’re listening for you, are you there?

Tom:Yeah, this is Tom.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, how is your knee doing? Yeah, you can’t hear us, huh?

Tom:No, just a second, let me see if something’s wrong here.

Nita: Okay. Can you hear us now?

Dr. Darrow: Nita, do this, let’s move onto Ann, and then if Tom straightens it out with the call screener, we’ll get back to him.

Nita:Okay, let’s do that.

Dr. Darrow: So, Ann, Dr. Marc Darrow how are you today? I understand your knee bothers you?

Ann:Yes, Dr. Marc Darrow, hi, how are you?

Dr. Darrow: I’m living it up.

Ann:I was listening to you, and – I have bilateral knee pain, and then the diagnosis that said I do not have any more cushion, you know and that I need to do surgery.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, okay.

Ann:So, I heard you, that you do the stem cell, and I was trying to call your office number the 800-300-9300, but it didn’t go through.

Dr. Darrow: Well, you’ll have to try it again, you’re doing something wrong, because it works. You may have to dial a 1 in front of it. But nevertheless, when I hear a doctor say there’s no cushion, or it’s – hang on with us, we’re going to go to break, and then we’ll talk to you soon, Ann.

Nita:Okay, everybody if you’re on hold, stay with us. Ann, stay with us, you’re listening to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. I’m your host, Nita Vallens, and we’re taking your calls all hour at 1-866-870-5752, lines are open for you right now, and we’ll be right back after these messages.


Narrator: Whether you have pain in your back or joints, surgery may not be the answer. Instead of the dangers involved in cutting out tissue, consider healing and rejuvenating the area with stem cells, platelet-rich plasma or Prolotherapy, the treatments that are available to professional athletes are now available for you. Watch the videos at or call the Darrow Wellness Institute at 800-300-9300, 800-300-9300, that’s 800-300-9300.

Nita: Welcome back to Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow. I’m your host Nita Vallens and we’re taking your calls at 1-866-870-5752, all hour long lines are open for you right now. And when you call the program today, you get some free books, and I want you to recall that we are here Saturdays at one p.m., and also Sundays from one to two on 870 AM.
And remember to look at Dr. Darrow’s website which is, that’s and right now we’re speaking with Ann in Los Angeles.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Ann, Dr. Marc Darrow, I want to start from the beginning here, so let me just speak for a while, okay. Then I may have questions for you to answer.


Dr. Darrow: So, I understand your knees are what the doctor calls no cushion or bone on bone, and are you able to walk on them at all, yes?

Ann:Yes. But with pain.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, so to me – with pain, yes, I got it, I got it. To me, that’s if you can walk on your legs, and your knees are bending, that’s not bone on bone, and that doesn’t mean there’s no cushion, and shame on the doctors who talk like that, because it’s a set-up for getting a surgery.

And as my book will tell you, you’re going to get a copy of it. It’s got all the research. There is rarely something called bone on bone that we see. Yes, it does happen, but if it does, you’re not going to be walking into my office, someone is going to carry you in on a stretcher, because the bones are not sliding on each other. If the bones are mobile, and you’re moving them around, it’s not bone on bone, and we can usually help using regenerative medicine which means using platelets from your blood, a quick blood draw, spin it, and then inject it right then, or taking your bone marrow, and getting out the platelets and the stem cells, spinning it, and then injecting it right then.


Dr. Darrow: So, I think there’s probably – you know I haven’t examined you, I have to do that first to see if you’re a good candidate, but in most cases, these treatments help people. It’s not a quick fix. It often takes two or three months if you have pretty bad arthritis and you’ve got to be willing to go the course of the treatments.


Dr. Darrow: Okay? Nita, let’s go to Jara.

Nita:Thank you for your call, Ann. We appreciate that. And we are going right to Jara in Los Angeles.

Dr. Darrow: So, Jara, Dr. Marc Darrow, I understand your right knee bothers you. How long has been going on?

Jara:It’s been going on for two years.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. And what did your doctor tell you is happening?

Jara:Well, the past year I’ve had an MRI with the physical therapy, and they said it was arthritis behind the patella. However, I actually heard a pop behind the knee joint.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, that’s common when you have arthritis in the patella. The patella is the round bone in front of the knee. And when you bend your knee it gets driven deeper into the femur, which is the thigh bone, there’s a track called – a groove there, and a trochlear groove if you want to look that up. And that slides back and forth, so you’ll hear a pop when it catches, okay.
The treatment for that is going to be either platelets or stem cells from your own body. And it may take a few treatments to get you better. I’d have to examine you to see if you’re a candidate. Can you bend your knee okay?

Jara:Yeah, that sounds good to me, I’m just looking for relief, because it’s hard to – I can stand, I can walk, but after a while it’s hard to stand up on it.

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, it doesn’t sound like it’s too bad, which is good. And my question for you is how much do you weigh?

Jara:Right now I’m weighing between 211, 213.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, and how tall are you?

Jara:I’m five-seven.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. So, it’s pretty obvious where I’m going with this. If you do come in…

Jara:I’ve got to lose weight.

Dr. Darrow: Well, if you do come in, don’t be mad at me if I tell you, you’ve got to lose weight.

Jara:Oh, no, I won’t be mad at you. I mean – yeah, that would be a great thing.

Dr. Darrow: Because we have a diet in the office called Ideal Protein, where you’d lose, you know being a woman, probably three pounds a week, you know 12 to 15 pounds a month. We get everybody who does this diet, we get them skinny, and we get the weight off the knees. Every pound on your tummy or above is about four or five pounds on that knee. So, if you’re five-seven, and you’re – let’s say you be 140, I don’t know, that’s 70 pounds you’ve to lose, that’s 350 pounds on each knee, that we’re going to get rid of, okay?


Dr. Darrow: Yes, I mean it’s a shame, but when I tell people they’ve got to lose weight they start yelling at me. I didn’t come here to lose weight, I go yeah, but you came here to feel better, and I’m sorry, that’s one of the ways that I’m going to help you get there. And I’m going to love you through it, but we’ve got to do it.

Jara:That’s fine. I’m going to love you back, for loving me through it.

Dr. Darrow: Well, you’re cool, Jara, I can’t wait to see you, the phone number at the office is 800-300-9300, and you’ll get a copy of my new book on stem cells and platelets and it will teach you before you come in what we’re going to be doing, and how it works, and why surgery is not a good option.


Dr. Darrow: All right, darling, God bless you, thank you so much.

Nita:Thank you for your call, Jara, we appreciate it. Our number is 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Craig in Orange.

Dr. Darrow: Hey Craig, Dr. Marc Darrow I understand you’ve got rheumatoid arthritis, how do you know that?

Craig:Not personally, I’m in pretty good shape, but I’ve seen so many elderly people my whole life with terrible rheumatoid – bent, swollen fingers, like famous actor John Carradine you know modern, traditional medicine can’t help him, and I’m wondering if you could comment on that. If your treatments work for prevention or treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and the bent fingers and all that.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, yes, yes, I will address that. A couple issues, one is prevention is diet, we have to get rid of the inflammation in the body with an anti-inflammatory diet. I’m not going to get into that on the radio, but you can email me through the website at if you want more information on that.

And then once someone has it, we can help using platelets or stem cells from their own body, if they’re in a state of non-inflammation.

Craig:Oh, but the bones…

Dr. Darrow: If they’re all inflamed and the joints are – Craig…

Craig:Yeah, go ahead.

Dr. Darrow: If they’re all inflamed, and the joints are red or hot, what I do is not going to help them. So rheumatoid arthritis goes through different stages, and some of the stage are quiet, and some are inflammatory, we have to catch the person when it’s quiet.

So yes, I’ve helped a lot of people that have joints that are misshapen and you know but I can’t help someone with a red, hot joint, because we’re just going to add to the inflammation.

Craig:Is that somehow related to elderly, later the dowager’s hump that the joint’s grown crooked?

Dr. Darrow: No, no.

Craig:That’s a separate issue with elderly people.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, the dowager’s hump is generally from – from osteoporosis, that’s low hormones.

Craig:Oh, okay.

Dr. Darrow: So, the bones don’t remodel.

Craig:Personally, I really need to take advantage of your diet plan to reduce the waistline, and also if you teach vets your techniques, that people pay big bucks for their pets, more than go and they treat themselves, you know. It would be great if the vets could adopt…

Dr. Darrow: You know that’s so true, you’re absolutely right, a lot of people come in, and they go I don’t want to put the money up, and then they will spend the money on their puppies or whatever, which is great, I mean I’ll be honest, I’ve spent a lot on my dogs. I’ve had a lot of dogs, and they get real expensive.

Craig:Yes, the large dogs get like spondylitis and their hip joints go out, and a lot of…

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, absolutely, they’re just like humans. You know all animals are the same. If you want to email through the website, I can give you the name of at least one or two vets that do regenerative medicine.

Craig:Great, great, yeah and I need to – I’ll be in touch with you for your diet plan.

Dr. Darrow: Okay.

Craig:Right, thank you very much, appreciate it.

Dr. Darrow: God bless Craig, appreciate your call.

Nita:Thank you Craig, appreciate your call, and our number is 1-866-870-5752 and we’re going to Emma in Los Angeles.

Dr. Darrow: Emma, how long has your knee bothered you for? This is Dr. Marc Darrow.

Emma:It’s been like a year and a half.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. And what did your doctor tell you about it?

Emma:Well, I got an x-ray and they said I have arthritis – osteoarthritis.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, okay. And…

Emma:And I can walk, but when I sit down and I get up, oh my gosh, I have to wait a few seconds like for the pressure to relieve the pain.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, you know I’m guessing at this point from what you’re telling, based on you can walk and all that, that we can help you, and we might start out with PRP, platelet-rich plasma. It’s a simple procedure, we just draw your blood, spin it, and then inject the platelets.

Or if the exam shows you have a more advanced arthritis, we might want to go right to bone marrow injections which is aspirating the bone marrow from the pelvis, and spinning it, and taking out the stem cells and the platelets and injecting those. But there’s good hope ahead for you, Emma.

Emma:Okay, because my sister had two knee replacements, my grandmother did and they’re all telling me that I might need a knee replacement.

Dr. Darrow: Well, “need” is the operative term there. No, you don’t need it, it’s a choice, and it’s not a choice that I would give you, personally.


Dr. Darrow: I get too many people that come in afterwards with infections, or the joint gets loose, or it’s the wrong size, they have to be replaced again, I’m not for it. That’s just me.

Emma:Right, neither would I. But what could I do for the pain – I just have to deal with it.

Dr. Darrow: You’ve got to deal with it, till you fix it. Yes. There’s not much to do about pain. There’s medicines but they’re no good for you.

Emma:Right, I mean I just pray, God help me walk through this, and that’s every day.

Dr. Darrow: Yeah, well, you’ve got to do it every minute.

Emma:Yes. Okay, so who do I get in contact to your office.

Dr. Darrow: I’ll give you the phone number, it’s 800-300-9300.

Emma:Okay. Monday through Friday I can call?

Dr. Darrow: You can call right now. You can call any time you want. We have people you know on the phones. You may have to leave a message, because we’re probably busy right now, but we’ll get back to you.
Emma:Okay, well it sounds exciting, because if it’s something that can be injected, what I was imagining, then I would love that.

Dr. Darrow: Well, let me tell you one thing that I pick up with you, Emma. You have a positive attitude. You have joy in your voice, and people like you, usually heal up very fast, I’m not promising you anything, I haven’t examined you yet, but it’s the grumps that have a hard time healing, because they can be a lot better – the grumps can be a lot better, but they don’t admit it.

Emma: Oh, no. No, I want to do whatever I can without surgery.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, well, I’m on your side with that one, let’s get you healed up.

Emma:Thank you so much, and you have a blessed day.

Dr. Darrow: God bless you, Emma, you too.

Nita:Thank you Emma, for your call. Our number is 1-866-870-5752, and remember to check Dr. Darrow’s website at, that’s and we’re going to Diana in Glendora.
Dr. Darrow: Diana, Dr. Marc Darrow are you in your car on your cell phone?

Diana:Yes, I am.

Dr. Darrow: If you can be safe and pull over to the side of the road, and just get off the Bluetooth, but I’ll talk to you anyway. I understand your neck and your low back are bothering you. And those are things that generally heal up very well, using PRP, which platelet-rich plasma. We just draw your blood, spin it, and then inject the platelets right into the areas where the pain is, and that often heals one to three treatments or so.
I have to examine you and see if you are a candidate or not. Is there any history that you want to give me other than that?

Diana:Okay, but can you hear me?

Dr. Darrow: Yes, you’re not great, but we can hear you.

Diana:Oh, I have scoliosis and it’s probably at about a 15, and I’ve know about it, since I was 15 years old. I’m going through physical therapy right now, based on herniated disks in my neck from an old injury, and I also have several herniated disks in my lower back, and it’s affecting the left side of my body.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. Do you have any pain down your arms or legs?

Diana:More like weakness versus pain.

Dr. Darrow: Okay, it’s probably not anything to do with herniated disks or scoliosis, okay. That’s all I’ll tell you for right now. It’s probably something we can help you with, but I need to get in the office, touch your neck, and touch your back, and tell you for sure what’s going on.


Dr. Darrow: And the phone number there to check on your insurance is 800-300-9300, okay.

Diana:But you definitely have helped others with scoliosis?

Dr. Darrow: Oh my God, all the time. 15 degrees is minimal, very small amount.

Diana:Great, it used to be at a 23, I’ve had four children it kind of somewhat…

Dr. Darrow: They straightened you out. Well if you have 20 more children you’ll be perfect, all right, Diana, we’re going to go to Joshua.

Nita:Thank you so much. Thank you for your call, Diana. Oh gosh, that’s hilarious. Joshua in Los Angeles.

Dr. Darrow: Joshua, Dr. Marc Darrow, how are you today?

Joshua:I’m doing well, yourself?

Dr. Darrow: Good, how long has your low back bothered you for?

Joshua:Several years actually. I found out that I’ve got two bulging disks on my – I think they’re the L1 and L2. And there’s just a nagging – constant nagging pain in my lower back.

Dr. Darrow: Okay. As much money as you can put up, I’ll make you a bet that nothing that’s going on in your back is because of bulging disks. Want to make a bet?

Joshua:Ah, I’ll take your word for it.

Nita:I’ll make a bet.

Dr. Darrow: Yes, I mean most people have bulging disks as we age, that’s not – and they don’t have back pain because of it, so don’t let that throw you off and draw you to surgery, because that will be a mistake.

Dr. Darrow: Most of the problems that people like you have are the ligaments that are sprained, the ilio lumbar ligaments and the inner spinous ligaments where the thoracodorsal fascia which is like saran wrap inserts on the pelvis, or what the quadratis lumborum muscle inserts on the pelvis.

So, what we do is we inject those, usually just with platelets from your blood, that’s a real easy procedure, fast, or with stem cells if I think it’s real bad. So that’s something that I think you can look forward to healing up.

Joshua:Okay, great, and I’ll just call your office and make an appointment?

Dr. Darrow: That’s 800-300-9300.

Joshua:Great, thanks a lot, I appreciate your help.

Dr. Darrow: God bless you Joshua.

Nita:Thanks for your call Joshua, our number is 1-866-870-5752 and remember we are here Saturdays at one, and also Sundays from one to two p.m. on 870 AM. And check Dr. Darrow’s website at, that’s and we’re going to Kathy in Los Angeles. Did you want to say something?

Dr. Darrow: But – yes, Nita I want to rib you a little bit.

Nita:Oh yeah?

Dr. Darrow: You’re a biblical scholar, did Joshua fit the battle of Jericho or not?

Nita:Oh gosh, I’m no biblical scholar. We have me mixed up with some other Nita Vallens.

Dr. Darrow: Anyway, Joshua you’ve got a good biblical name. I’m glad that you blew the horn at the wall of Jericho and brought it down. Kathy, Dr. Marc Darrow, your knees bother you, how long has it been going on?

Kathy:Hi. It’s been going on a long time, and thank you for taking my call. I have taken care of too many post-op total knees, I will never let somebody slice into me.
My question is…

Dr. Darrow: Are you a nurse?

Kathy:Yeah. When you extract the bone marrow, do you go to the sternum or the iliac crest?

Dr. Darrow: You’re not going to get much out of the sternum, and that’s going to hurt quite a bit. I’ve done that on horses, they don’t seem to mind.

Kathy:The iliac crest – where does – how do you harvest the bone marrow?

Dr. Darrow: Oh, it’s so easy. It takes me literally, I try to do my personal best, every day, we do many every day. I’ve done it in 13 seconds.

What we do is we numb up the PSIS, the posterior superior iliac spine, and for folks listening, that’s not the spine, it’s the pelvis, it’s the thick part that’s easy to find, and we put a needle into it, and then we – after it’s numbed up, and we put a syringe on that, and then we aspirate or suction out the bone marrow, it’s very simple to do.


Dr. Darrow: It usually takes me on the average person about two to three seconds to get into the bone, and maybe eight or 10 seconds to aspirate the bone marrow. Then we spin it, and then we inject it right then and there.

Kathy:Okay. And how do you – I am 66 years old, how do you ensure that the stem cells will reproduce or morph?

Dr. Darrow: That’s what they do. I don’t have to get an insurance policy on them, they know how to do it. It’s been researched, it’s been watched…

Kathy:No, but with age, I would image…

Dr. Darrow: Oh, the age issue. I get it, I see where you’re driving, sorry. No, I’ve never had a problem with people healing, or what I’m going to call older, and 66 is sort of a midrange for us.

Kathy:Yeah, I’m an LOL.

Dr. Darrow: What’s that?

Kathy:In charting in the ER, it’s little old lady. It’s very descriptive in just a few letters.

Dr. Darrow: Well, LOL means laughing out loud when you’re texting, but any rate, I don’t seem to have any difference in results with people with higher age than people with lower age. I’ve treated kids, you know teenagers, you know 13-year-olds. I’ve treated 100-year-olds, and I want to say the average patient is probably in their 50s and 60s, okay, and I don’t see any difference at all in the healing.
I know, I’ve read a lot about the research, people make up all kinds of stuff, and I’m going to be honest, I do – we do research on every single patient. We’re probably going to have 10 different studies coming out in the next couple years, and I find research comes out…

Kathy:Do you have any published research?

Dr. Darrow: It’s in process.


Dr. Darrow: I personally have published research yes. But on the stem cells, our first study is going to the editors in one week, but we have many others that will be coming out soon.
Kathy:You know I ask you that…

Dr. Darrow: But you don’t need my research, because my book that you’re going to get a copy of has I think 250 research studies in it.

Kathy:Okay. I’m asking because I tell everybody I know, do not get surgery ever, call Marc Darrow, and I am serious, I tell everybody this. And I can..

Dr. Darrow: Do you want to get married?

Nita:Hey, you’re already married.

Dr. Darrow: Oh, yeah, I forgot.

Kathy:I’ve been listening to you for a couple years, but I will not – I feel exactly the same way about surgery as you do. And…

Dr. Darrow: Well, look you would know more than anybody on the planet, you’re there when they come out of surgery.

Kathy:Yep, yep. So anyway I want to thank you for this, and the only reason I’m asking you is because when I listen to Mini Med School UC TV has Mini Med School, and I listen to all of them, and basically the consensus is well we don’t have enough research on it, yet. So that’s why…

Dr. Darrow: Well, that’s nonsense, we’ve got plenty of research on it.

Kathy:Oh, I mean it’s traditional doctors like at Kaiser, will say we don’t do it because…

Dr. Darrow: Well, they don’t do it because orthopedic surgeons decide for them what they’re supposed to do.

Kathy:And that is wrong, because surgery is not the answer to these things. And somebody has to step in like you, and you know break it, because people are crippled. They cut your femur for God’s sake. It’s horrible, and they hammer it in with the big mallet. It’s just not cool, a total knee.

Dr. Darrow: Well, I’ve been riding the white horse for 20 years telling people about it.

Kathy:Well, I tell everybody too.

Dr. Darrow: And in the beginning – thank you – in the beginning of my career, I was the devil in town, and now I’m the angel, because doctors from all over – all over the world come to study with me. So, this is the new wave, unfortunately, it’s going to take a long, long time before these surgeons – I hate it say it, before they die, and the new breed comes in, but that’s what it’s going to take.
Kathy:Well, it’s going to take their money away too. I used to take care of patients again in Santa Monica, I swear to God, this doctor…

Dr. Darrow: Kathy, we’ve got to say goodbye, Nita, thank you so much.

Nita: Oh, thank you. Thank you so much for your call Kathy, we really appreciate it, so sorry we’re out of time here on Living Pain Free with Dr. Marc Darrow, thank you Dr. Darrow, thank you Alex, thank you Suzette in production, and thank all of you for listening and participating. And grab a pen, write down this important information about to come your way, we’ll see you next time.


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